Lincoln thread:

Why do some people suggest that Lincoln might be related to DJT?

Some suspect it might be through Mary Todd Lincoln.

Has anyone ever found anything to substantiate this?

This is not a "History of Lincoln" thread.

This will be in the speculative alt-history vein of inquiry.

That being said things to lookout for might include:

Connection to Lincoln and the Prussians

Connection to Lincoln and the Rothschilds

Connection to the House of Hanover

Possible connection to the French and American Bonapartes through the Secret Service or FBI precursors

Possible connection to John Brown

Ect.. ect..

First of all.. has anyone ever found any reason to believe that John Brown might have been a stand in / body double for Lincoln?

Might be nothing here.. but it is interesting to note their striking similarities.

There is a theory online suggesting that Abraham Lincoln's real name might have been Abraham Springstein.

Reading from Pandora's Box by Alex Christopher

During a search of some old property records and will in a small courthouse in central North Carolina, Alex Christopher, found the will of one A.A. Springs in an old will book dated around 1840.

The will of the late A.A. Springs lists his property and to whom the beneficiaries who included his children. Mr. Christopher and others were looking to find what railroads and banks this man might have owned and left to his son Leroy Springs.

On the bottom of page three of four pages was a paragraph where the father, A.A. Springs, left to his son an enormous amount of land in the state of Alabama which is now known as Huntsville, Alabama.

At first Mr. Christopher and his colleagues could not believe what their eyes, because the name of his son was "ABRAHAM LINCOLN"!

This new information added to what they had already learned about the Springs, whose real name was Springstein, was one more twist to this already enigmatic family.

So they investigated the local archives and historical records on families and found a reference to one Abraham Lincoln in a published genealogy of a Carolina family by the name of McAdden. This genealogy was a limited edition of the type once found in the public libraries.

The section on Lincoln resembled the following form of words:

"In the late spring of the year of 1808 Nancy Hanks, who was of the family lineage of McAdden was visiting some of her family in the community of Lincolnton, North Carolina.

During her stay in the Carolina's, she visited many neighboring families she had known for many years; one such was the Springs family.

The sordid details had been omitted but obviously the young Nancy Hanks had found herself in a compromised position and was forced to succumb to the lust of A.A. Springs

//Is this enough to prove Thomas Lincoln wasn't his father? I think they do share some resemblance. Thoughts?

She became pregnant as a result. There were no details of a love affair or an act of violence on a helpless female. Abraham Lincoln was the result of that act, which leads one to wonder if the name Lincoln was real or fabricated from the area of conception which was Lincolnton.

Was there really a Thomas Lincoln?

According to this theory Lincoln would somehow be related to Rothschilds.

The following data was derived from information that exists in the Smithsonian Institute, National Archives, the Congressional Library, Courtroom Police files, public and private libraries and storage vaults across the United States and Europe:

Abraham Lincoln was slapped three times with a white glove by a member of the Hapsburg royal family of Germany (Payseur family relatives) during a White House reception in 1862.

//who might this have been? is there any record of this event taking place outside of where it's mentioned in this book? is there any records of a Hapsburg at the White House in 1862? why would a Hapsburg be meeting with Lincoln around this time period?

The German royal family member demanded a pistol duel with the then President of the United States, Abraham Lincoln. The blows to the face stunned Lincoln but he non-verbally refused to participate in the duel by bowing his head before walking out of the reception room.

It seems that promiscuity was running rampant in many families in those days and the German King Leopold had an illegitimate daughter named Elizabeth who was sent to America, where she lived in a very comfortable manner.

Although Leopold could not recognize her position, he was very interested in her life.

//if true which Leopold fits this timeline I or II?

My guess is Leopold I but if you find something else that would indicate otherwise lmk..

Also is there any record of Leopold having this claimed illegitimate heir?

In the early or mid 1850s, Abraham Lincoln and Elizabeth began having sexual liaisons that produced twin daughters named Ella and Emily in 1856. The regal German father who was so royally upset with ol' honest Abe probably had full knowledge of the true blood line of Lincoln.

Abraham's wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, did not find out about Elizabeth, Ella and Emily until 1865.

//Is there any record of these twins associated with Lincoln?

Lincoln's wife Mary Todd was into the occult.

Abraham Lincoln was a Rosicrucian and a member of the Order of the Lily's Council of Three along with Paschal Beverly Randolph and General Ethan Allen Hitchcock.

//any truth to these claims?

The Todd family are considered by the Illuminati as part of the Collins boodline (one of the top illuminati families that has managed to remain low key.

It is believed that the Collins family has been kept secret because they wield more power than the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers.

// This would have been a witchcraft practicing family.. sometimes referred to as the Collins elite.. said to practice selective breeding.

Previous to being informed about Elizabeth and the twins, Mrs. Lincoln had developed a ravaging dependency on opium. Her main supplier of the drug was a former member of the Confederate Intelligence community.

It was because of his involvement with the Southern Intelligence Community, that Mary's supplier—John Wilkes Booth—knew about the lover and the illegal twins.

//John Wilkes Booth the confederate spy?

After being spurned by the Confederate intelligence community, Mary's 'candy man' approached and became involved with the Rothschild Empire of Europe, for he realized the European banking moguls would be very interested in his pipeline to the White House.

Officially Lincoln was trying to fight the banks right?

But if he was actually related to the Rothschilds, on this new timeline, he could be seen as laying the groundwork for the global banking system.

Christopher writes:

At this time the Rothschilds were trying to take control of the monetary system, and also trying to get a foot-hold in America and find a way around the British, Virginia Company, and French Bourbon family that were gaining influence.

Lincoln found himself in real hot water, because the 48 families that formed the Virginia Company covenant, were all of the Holy Grail Bloodline.

This country was to be an extension of the dominion of the royal families of Europe.

//So was Lincoln trying to usurp the power from the shadow monarchy that ruled America with the secrecy of these twins? Was he seeking to establish his own dynastic line?

Rothschilds did not get real control on things in America and the Federal Reserve until the Springs usurped the Payseur family companies in the early 1920s.

It appears that the Rothschild family wanted Lincoln embarrassed to the maximum. (So) Mary Todd's drug dealer (John Wilkes Booth) was hired to kidnap the President of the United States.

//this seems a bit fantastical.. but who knows..

Abraham Lincoln was to be put on board a boat for a two month Atlantic cruise where he would be injected with and addicted to opium, and then dumped on the streets of Washington.

While the forcefully addicted President was stumbling around our nation's capital, the press would be informed of Elizabeth, Ella and Emily.

The drug pusher (Booth) and collaborator (agent) of the Rothschilds had his perfect accomplice in the plot to kidnap and discredit the leader of the North American continent in the First Lady Mary Todd Lincoln.

//Two things strike me here.. how similar the story is to that of the Onassis Hughes story about being drugged.. but also that the author claims Lincoln to have been some relation to Rothschilds via this Springstien connection but almost a bastardized line that they wanted to off

Christopher suggests that in 1867, the Secret Service was founded so that drunken municipal law enforcement could not unwittingly participate with drug-addicted First Ladies or Gentlemen in vengeful high-brow killings of philandering Presidents of the United States.

//im not sure thats what they had in mind when making the secret service.. but who knows..

//from here he goes into a theory that Mary Todd hatched the plot to kill Lincoln because she was crazy and strung out and found out about his secret family..

Anyone else read anything like this?

A few things strike as odd about this..

Here is yet another theory besides that of JFK that suggests that the Rothschilds are behind another presidential assassination but not directly linked to it.

I think it was a Hughes body double that was taken out at a Rothschild Hotel in England. So they seem to be involved in this network of wetworks although never directly getting their hands dirty so to speak.

If Booth was a spy for the confederacy perhaps he could have had links to the royals in Canada at the time considering Prince Albert was known to support the South.

Let me know what you think..

Or if you find or have found anything strange about the Lincoln assassination.

In this theory.. Lincoln essentially functioned as a Prussian asset for the Rothschilds..

French old world money.. funds Prussian agendas... put into action via American politicians..

I'm not too familiar with the Lincoln death but is his wife suspect in any of the theories?