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Did Ibn Taymiyyah make Takfīr of Bakri and his sect?

Let’s take a deep dive:

All quotes are from: Al-istighatha fi radd ala Al-bakri

There isn’t in the book express statements like “Bakri is a Kafir or Bakri is A Mushrik” but also note that there is no express statement Bakri is a Muslim, the statements of Ibn Taymiyyah indicate that he considered them to be mushrikiin and nowhere did he give them an excuse.

فليتدبر العاقل فعل من بدل دين الله ، وسلك سبيل المرتدين والمنافقين الذين جعلوا الإيمان كفراً

Here Ibn Taymiyyah asserts that Bakri and his group have taken the path of the apostates and the Munafiqeen

"And so the thinker (aqil) did what replaced the religion of God, and a pathway of the apostates and hypocrites, those who made belief disbelief, easier"

وهذا مما يعلم بالاضطرار من دين الإسلام أن أحداً منهم ما كان إذا نزلت به حاجة لميت يا سيدي فلان أنا في حسبك أو اقض حاجتي كما يقول بعض هؤلاء المشركين

Again, Ibn Taymiyyah says "It is known by necessity in Islam that any one of them if a need befalls him, he would rush to the dead saying "O My Master X! I am in your reckoning or fulfill my needs as some of those Mushrikeen say"

غاية ما أقر به على نفسه وعلى أصحابه لما خاطبه بعض أصحابنا فقال أنتم نسبتمونا إلى الشرك ونحن ننسبكم إلى تنقص الرسول

فغاية الأمر أن ما يدعيه منازعيه تنقص الرسول وهم يقولون عنه وعن أمثاله إنهم مشركون

Here Ibn Taymiyyah asserts that he and his companions/students say Bakri and his followers are Mushrikeen

“The End goal of what he has confessed upon himself and his companions when some of our companions spoke to him where he said: “You have attributed us to Shirk and we have attributed you to belittling the Prophet.

Thus, the end goal of this affair is that what he claims against his enemies is belittling the Prophets meanwhile they (ie the enemies who are Ibn Taymiyyah’s companions and students, and by necessity him also, is that He (Bakri) and his likes are Mushrikeen”

فيقول السادن قد قلت للشيخ والشيخ يقول للنبي والنبي يقول لله والله قد بعث رسولاً إلى السلطان فلان فهل إلا محض دين المشركين والنصارى وفيه من الكذب والجهل ما يستجيزه كل مشرك أو نصراني ولا يروج عليه

Here Ibn Taymiyyah prefers the religion of the Nasara to them

“The servant [of the monastery] says: “You said to the Shaykh who says to the Prophet who says to Allah and Allah has sent a messenger to Sultan X.

So is this nothing except the exact religion of the Mushrikeen and Christians and that in it is from the lies and ignorance that which no Mushrik or Christian would even think about permitting himself say or spread”

لوجه الرابع : أن يقال : الغلاة المشركون هم في الحقيقة من بخسوا الرسل ما يستحقونه من التعظيم

Here Ibn Taymiyyah calls these people extremist Mushrikiin, who are these extremist mushrikeen except Bakri & his ilk

“The extremists Mushrikeen are in reality those who have been stingy towards the prophets concerning what they deserve in veneration."

فهذا القول الذي يقوله هذا _ يعني البكري _ هو مطابق لأحوال هؤلاء المشركين الضالين _ يعني عباد الكواكب _ لكن هذا يقوله مسلم ولا عاقل يتصور ما يقوله بل هو جنس قول النصارى

Here Ibn Taymiyyah asserts that the statement of Bakri is a carbon copy of the state of those Mushrikeen, meaning the planet worshippers, and that no Muslim or sane person can say that rather it is a part of what the Christians say.

وهؤلاء إذا قصد أحدهم القبر الذي يعظمه يبكي عنده ويخضع ويتضرع ويدعو ويحصل له من الرقة والتواضع والعبودية وحضور القلب ما لا يحصل له مثله في الصلوات الخمس والجمعة وقيام الليل وقراءة القرآن فهل هذا إلا حال المشركين المبتدعين

Here Ibn Taymiyyah again calls them Mushrikiin

"And those who when he seeks out the grave that he venerates, he cries and humbles and submits and supplicates and there is softness and humility and servitude and the heart is serene and sincere and present,

such a state that he doesn’t get when he prays his five and prays the night or reads the Quran. Then is this not but the state of the mushrikeen innovators?!!"

فإن الله تعالى أمر أن يدعى هو ويسأل هو ولم يجعل دعاء أحد من المخلوقين دعاء له بل قد نهى الله تعالى عن دعائه ولو كان هذا حقا لكان من دعا الملائكة والأنبياء دعاء لله فلا يكون مشركا والله تعالى قد جعلهم مشركين وقد قال تعالى

قل ادعوا الذين زعمتم من دونه فلا يملكون كشف الضر عنكم ولا تحويلا أولئك الذين يدعون يبتغون إلى ربهم الوسيلة أيهم أقرب ويرجون رحمته ويخافون عذابه إن عذاب ربك كان محذورا

Allah has commanded that He be invoked and asked and He did not make [one] Invoking the creation [mean that he is] invoking Him. Rather, Allah forbade invoking him [ie the created being] and if this was true [ie invoking the creation means invoking Allah]

then the one who invoked the Angels and Prophets would be an invocation to Allah and so he would not be a Mushrik. But Allah made them Mushrikeen as He stated in the verse

Say, "Invoke those you have claimed besides Him, for they do not possess the [ability for] removal of adversity from you or [for its] transfer [to someone else]."

This refutes those who use the Mājaz Aqli argument who say that when someone invoked Jeelani they’re actually invoking Allah and that’s why it’s not shirk. But Ibn Taymiyyah clearly believes it’s shirk.

"There is one part in the book, which is the only part quoted to claim that Ibn Taymiyyah gave Bakri excuse of ignorance

فلهاذا لم يقابل جهاله وافتراوه بالتكفير بمثله

In reality what had happened is Bakri made takfir of Ibn Taymiyyah, to which he responds and says that we’re not going to be childish and simply respond with Takfīr just because he made Takfīr.

Why? Because the principle is that takfir is a hukum shari and we only make takfir of those who Allah and his messenger made takfir of. So Ibn Taymiyyah is saying takfir has to be based on evidence and not emotions,

This doesn't mean he doesn't consider them mushrikeen as established in the thread.

Plus clearly Ibn Taymiyyah says Takfīr is dependant on Bulugh Al Hujjah. And what the else is Ibn Taymiyyah doing in this work?

In summary:

1. He believes what they did to be shirk
2. Calls them mushrikeen
3. Compares them to other mushrikeen and christians
4. Doesn't call them Muslim or believers
5. Never states he gives them an excuse for their shirk

It is clear that Ibn Taymiyyah made takfir of bakri

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