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Always been a struggle for me when people go to long lengths to justify much older anime having really stiff voice acting and unintentionally funny editing being good always makes me wonder what they get out of those scenes & how it feels right or acceptable to them.
But the answer seems to be some people just like that. Being goofy/clumsy just adds to the charm for some people & they enjoy it on a standard totally separate from what to me is good. And it is sorta frustrating, because to me it's so wrong & jarring but to them it's fine/good.
I've said before how it's important for me to be able to take what I watch seriously, and things that are really dated and feel overly cartoony/stiff/silly completely prevents me from getting emotionally invested or see it as quality work.
There's a million things that go into any scene with each shot, line and OST, & as I'm watching Gundam 1979 now I see something wrong with every one of those like 85-90% of the time. I don't really blame it because I know it's a product of its time & they couldn't do much better,
but it still absolutely prevents me from seeing it as a top tier work or equal to much more refined stories/products I've seen so to see people talk about them like the peak of the artform is just bizarre & incomprehensible to me because it's like an amateur play of Shakespeare.
Ashita no Joe was similar both it & Gundam are 6/10s to me while Megalo Box & Code Geass are just undeniably superior. I'm also watching Rose of Versailles which is a little better because it's later in Dezaki's career but still like a light 7 while Innocent is so much better imo
It's not only presentation it comes down to because the stories/writing also have certain noticable traits that make me see them as more basic and rough, but that's more up for debate than the technical abilities I feel. Devilman had much of that, compared to Berserk for example.
It is very hard for me to look past these things and pretend it is amazing because to me there is a huge fence that separates them from what I consider truly peak. I have different issues with all eras of animanga but the ones I love are the ones that are timeless by my standard.
Sure EVA came out in 1995 but it doesn't mean other things from around that time hold up as well. If I look at Yu Yu Hakusho from 1992 it's not that different from the other 6/10s I mentioned, while HxH started in 1997 & still sits ahead of the entire 2000s of shounen.
Berserk started in 1989, Nausicaa started in 1982 but these are like I said timeless works that I think really climb out of the pothole of mediocrity. You could read either of them 20 years from now and they'd probably be just as good.
And I guess it really is fine like that. I don't have to love everything that fits into a very niche, aged style that's long passed, but it does bother me if I'm seen as weird for not sharing the inherent love for it. Like "Why isn't AnJ above Haikyuu it's so much better" Sorry??
The comparison doesn't really fit into my mental network because they are to me fundamentally "built different". I realize I compared some to other things myself in this thread but that was to emphasize this gap. I can compare them objectively but I can't see them as fair equals.
I don't mean to offend or insult anyone for their tastes either these are just thoughts and feelings that come from a very deep place inside me and have a lot of weight over my worldview. I want to understand others, and see what they see. That's about it I guess.
Oh yeah and also Belladonna of Sadness came out in 1973 and is a masterpiece partly because it compensates for its limitations in animation with beautiful artwork and music that really feels like it transcends and lifts itself above that "fence" I mentioned before. It's timeless.
