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Fascists & libertarians are opposites of each other, idk why I keep having to say this. If you mean a white supremacist, SAY that, but you are far FAR less likely to find a WS libertarian compared to a WS fascist since itâs contrary to anti-govt so good luck with that conflation.
Leftists are liberal libertarians (or tankie authoritarians). The Libertarian Party & Boogaloos are conservative libertarians. The Democrats AND the Republicans are conservative authoritarians from center to far right. These are BASIC political terms, please learn them.
Knowledge is power but Iâve had ancoms get upset about being called libertarians when they are the most liberal libertarians out there. Wtf do you think the anarchy part means? 
Come on people, we can have SOME precision in our discourse for clarityâs sake.
Come on people, we can have SOME precision in our discourse for clarityâs sake.
Nazis are always white supremacists but fascists are not (see Democrat wokeness). White supremacists are also more often than not fascists, not libertarian, though a WS can also be a libertarian bc cognitive harmony is not automatic in any person. And ANYONE can be racist.
If you refuse to learn the distinctions then you are willfully battling an enemy you know nothing about & making enemies of people who are not your enemy bc you refuse to understand the distinction. You canât just dictate to people what they believe, you need to listen & watch.
Also, conflating libertarians w/fascists & white supremacists devalues the impact of the latter terms, which is bad. A lot more independents are right libertarian leaning as opposed to left libertarian so putting them in the enemy bucket drastically increases our enemyâs numbers.
Weâre cutting off our nose to spite our face when AMERICA has a white supremacy problem infiltrating almost all facets of life. If we refuse to extract people from the clutches of WS, absolutely nothing will change. Extraction does not mean adoption.
Again, someone seeking to not be a white supremacist is better than an active white supremacist for reaching our goals & mercy to assist their transition is NOT THE SAME as condoning past beliefs & behaviors or allowing continued bad beliefs & behaviors to thrive.
YOU are not supposed to change your beliefs to give them permission, THEY are supposed to change their beliefs & actions away from white supremacy and fascism (remember, DISTINCT deprogramming problems that must be addressed). The impetus is on US to have strong boundaries.
If you donât feel comfortable with doing this then you have no business being responsible for any leadership in leftist efforts but thatâs ok. We should all be making efforts to re-educate people we personally know but reprogramming the populace is not your job.
We do not have to solicit these people to join us, that is the WRONG message, but we can solicit them to seek to change IF they have demonstrated interest in being better. People can & do change all the time, to change for the better just takes a lot more work & time.
I have successfully conversed with A LOT of libertarians & if you present concerns & arguments in a respectful but FIRM manner, they are responsive. It took me ALMOST A DECADE to get my godmother to support single payor HC but so help me I did it & she moves left all the time.
Again, as I said in a prior post, Nazis are excellent at the soft sell to recruit. They start w/material that is not that offensive & OVER TIME indoctrinate recruits to full on hate. They succeed in this by making the person feel accepted initially no matter their orig beliefs.
So if you genuinely wish to change WS in America we need to actively be willing to work to deprogram racists to worse. âItâs not our jobâ, if youâre a PoC I def agree but as white people, who else is gonna do it? Is it not *our* culture thatâs the gd problem? Really, who else?
The fascists are leading to more white supremacists, so who tf is going to pick up the responsibility for challenging these people & then putting in the effort to reprogram them except the left? Iâm sorry but we have a problem rn exactly bc you refused to fvcking say anythg.
White supremacist & fascist IDEOLOGY should be treated as intolerable, people who do not want to change or are profiting from those ideologies should be rejected. That should go without saying & violent behavior is of course deplorable & should have consequences every time.
But we are not wholly unfamiliar with the concept of rehab & we need to understand that brainwashing leads to mental health issues that must be treated. Honestly, how are mental health problems a surprise considering the antisocial nature of these ideologies? Ofc theyâre sick.
I am NOT advocating coddling these people or welcoming them into spaces free of condition or reproach, quite the contrary. I am saying that we are adults capable of setting boundaries & handling them one human individual at a time the same way Nazis indoctrinate one at a time.
Is it laborious with a third of the country being racist or worst? Fuck yes but maybe that wouldnât be the case if white people back in the 60s made a consolidated social effort to take care of their own shit instead of pretending like itâd fix itself. They didnât so here we are.
All I hear when you fail to learn the difference betw competing ideologies & why thatâs relevant to deprogramming efforts is that YOU want to be relieved of any responsibility for actually *doing* something about this problem, youâd rather be self righteous on your high horse.
I on the other hand know damn well that a fvcking Nazi that is going to take a decade of reprogramming is different than a libertarian that might take a single conversation to set them in motion towards better answers. There is a sliding scale of effort & it is worth it to TRY.
No, donât waste your time or energy on non-left orgns or social media trolls, but in your immediate sphere of influence do your best to change peopleâs minds & donât censor yourself. THAT we can all fvcking do & it might actually make a difference if we actually tried.
What is really happening here is the consolidated conservative authoritarians (fascists) are pitting libertarians from left to right against each other to prevent the defeat of FASCISM. If you canât understand why this is dangerous af you need to read a mf book or two.
I would MUCH rather compromise with a conservative libertarian than a gd fascist, you have serious brain worms you need checked out if you think dealing with the fascist #BlueMAGA twats is better than dealing with another libertarian that at least agrees with you fascism is bad.
So get a gd grip, your ignorance is allowing fascist propaganda to win & weakening the antifa mvmt bc you donât understand that antifa doesnât fvcking belong to just the far left. ANYBODY who wants to fight fascism deserves a gd shot, period, this is a war for the PLANET.
