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I've been struggling about expectations for Bieniemy. Here's 17 tweets about my thoughts on EB and Reid OC's.
EB is 51 years old, and has had some sort of coaching role for 20 years.
EB has spent 15 (!!) seasons as a college or NFL RB Coach
EB is 51 years old, and has had some sort of coaching role for 20 years.
EB has spent 15 (!!) seasons as a college or NFL RB Coach
EB spent 2 years at Colorado as the Offensive Coordinator
- 2011 Averaged 19.8 PPG (109/120)
- 2012 Averaged 17.8 PPG (120/124)
EB has been KC's OC for the past 3 years. In that time they've been a top 6 scoring offense in every season.
All 3 seasons were led by Patrick Mahomes
- 2011 Averaged 19.8 PPG (109/120)
- 2012 Averaged 17.8 PPG (120/124)
EB has been KC's OC for the past 3 years. In that time they've been a top 6 scoring offense in every season.
All 3 seasons were led by Patrick Mahomes
We know the players love him. From Mahomes to AP, he's been praised by NFL athletes that have worked with him.
...Why did it take EB so long to get a job as an OC at the college level (10 years), and then struggle MIGHTLY in that role? I have no idea.
...Why did it take EB so long to get a job as an OC at the college level (10 years), and then struggle MIGHTLY in that role? I have no idea.
Reid has almost always been the playcaller in his own offense. He's an offensive genius, and wants to have control. So what does that leave to EB?
He "Helps assemble the playbook and weekly game plans" for the KC Chiefs per B/R.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2813551-eric-bieniemy-could-be-nfls-hottest-coaching-candidate-next-year#:~:text=According%20to%20ESPN.com's%20Adam,his%20helmet%20on%20game%20days.
He "Helps assemble the playbook and weekly game plans" for the KC Chiefs per B/R.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2813551-eric-bieniemy-could-be-nfls-hottest-coaching-candidate-next-year#:~:text=According%20to%20ESPN.com's%20Adam,his%20helmet%20on%20game%20days.
That's not to downplay his importance to this offense, but in his next role, he may have to call plays, and if he doesn't it won't be Reid executing his ideas.
He clearly must do more than this...but it's not totally clear what he does...
He clearly must do more than this...but it's not totally clear what he does...
If a team wants to know what he really does in Kansas City, the best place to find out is in an interview. He's set up to interview with every HC vacancy in the NFL. He's certainly earned that. What he does in those interviews, we'll never know.
We saw something very similar in 2019 with Pete Carmichael. The OC for the NO Saints over the last decade.
PC is a great example of an OC in an offense with a HoF HC calling plays more often than not.
What makes EB more qualified than PC?
I don't think it's Reid>Payton
PC is a great example of an OC in an offense with a HoF HC calling plays more often than not.
What makes EB more qualified than PC?
I don't think it's Reid>Payton
Let's take a look OC's under Reid and their career
'99 Eagles - Rod Dowhower (25th Offense)
'00 Eagles - Dowhower (12th)
'01 Eagles - Dowhower (9th)
'02 Eagles - Brad Childress (4th)
'03 Eagles - Childress (11th)
'04 Eagles - Childress (8th)
'06 Eagles - Marty Mornhinweg (6th)
'99 Eagles - Rod Dowhower (25th Offense)
'00 Eagles - Dowhower (12th)
'01 Eagles - Dowhower (9th)
'02 Eagles - Brad Childress (4th)
'03 Eagles - Childress (11th)
'04 Eagles - Childress (8th)
'06 Eagles - Marty Mornhinweg (6th)
'07 Eagles - Mornhinweg (17th)
'08 Eagles - Mornhinweg (6th)
'09 Eagles - Mornhinweg (5th)
'10 Eagles - Mornhinweg (3rd)
'11 Eagles - Mornhinweg (8th)
'12 Eagles - Mornhinweg (29th)
'13 Chiefs - Doug Pederson (7th)
'14 Chiefs - Pederson (16th)
'15 Chiefs - Pederson (13th)
'08 Eagles - Mornhinweg (6th)
'09 Eagles - Mornhinweg (5th)
'10 Eagles - Mornhinweg (3rd)
'11 Eagles - Mornhinweg (8th)
'12 Eagles - Mornhinweg (29th)
'13 Chiefs - Doug Pederson (7th)
'14 Chiefs - Pederson (16th)
'15 Chiefs - Pederson (13th)
'16 Chiefs - Brad Childress (13th)
'17 Chiefs - Matt Nagy (6th)
'18 Chiefs - Eric Bieniemy (1st)
'19 Chiefs - Bieniemy (5th)
'20 Chiefs - Bieniemy (6th)
'17 Chiefs - Matt Nagy (6th)
'18 Chiefs - Eric Bieniemy (1st)
'19 Chiefs - Bieniemy (5th)
'20 Chiefs - Bieniemy (6th)
Rod Dowhower: 15th Average Offense under Reid
Dowhower ended his career as the OC in Philly, so we can't see his future after Reid.
Dowhower ended his career as the OC in Philly, so we can't see his future after Reid.
Brad Childress: 11th Average Offense under Reid (4 seasons)
Vikings Head Coach (2006-2010)
Browns OC (2012)
Record of 39-35
2006 26th Offense
2007 15th Offense
2008 12th Offense
2009 2nd Offense
2010 29th Offense
2012 24th Offense
Average Offense away from Reid: 18th
Vikings Head Coach (2006-2010)
Browns OC (2012)
Record of 39-35
2006 26th Offense
2007 15th Offense
2008 12th Offense
2009 2nd Offense
2010 29th Offense
2012 24th Offense
Average Offense away from Reid: 18th
Marty Mornhinweg: 11th Average Offense under Reid (7 seasons)
6th if you exclude Reid's shortened final season
Jets OC (2013-14)
Ravens OC (16-18)
2013 29th Offense
2014 28th Offense
2016 21st Offense
2017 9th Offense
2018 13th Offense
Average Offense away from Reid: 20th
6th if you exclude Reid's shortened final season
Jets OC (2013-14)
Ravens OC (16-18)
2013 29th Offense
2014 28th Offense
2016 21st Offense
2017 9th Offense
2018 13th Offense
Average Offense away from Reid: 20th
Doug Pederson: 12th Average Offense under Reid (3 seasons)
Eagle HC (2016-20)
2016 16th Offense
2017 3rd Offense
2018 18th Offense
2019 12th Offense
2020 26th Offense
Average Offense away from Reid: 15th
Eagle HC (2016-20)
2016 16th Offense
2017 3rd Offense
2018 18th Offense
2019 12th Offense
2020 26th Offense
Average Offense away from Reid: 15th
Matt Nagy: 6th Average Offense under Reid (1 season)
Bears HC (2018-20)
2018 9th Offense
2019 29th Offense
2020 23rd Offense
Average Offense away from Reid: 20th
Bears HC (2018-20)
2018 9th Offense
2019 29th Offense
2020 23rd Offense
Average Offense away from Reid: 20th
I no NOTHING about the NFL coach hiring process, but I'm worried about the sky-high expectations some have for EB.
The one time we've seen him as a playcaller was egregious.
If it's his pregame prep, is he any better than Nagy?
If it's both, is he any better than Carmichael?
The one time we've seen him as a playcaller was egregious.
If it's his pregame prep, is he any better than Nagy?
If it's both, is he any better than Carmichael?
If it's about his relationship with the players, is he any better than Joe Judge?
He's had Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid to guide his career as an OC. OC's under Reid have never really hit their stride (excluding Pederson's SB season).
He's had Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid to guide his career as an OC. OC's under Reid have never really hit their stride (excluding Pederson's SB season).
