2) NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE
3) Yesterday I looked into Bakkt's SPAC.
It did not look very good.
idk maybe it'll be worth $10b soon because fuck everything. https://twitter.com/SBF_Alameda/status/1348668218370506754
It did not look very good.
idk maybe it'll be worth $10b soon because fuck everything. https://twitter.com/SBF_Alameda/status/1348668218370506754
4) So how about the elephant in the room?
http://ftx.com/trade/CBSE/USD
Coinbase is probably likely going to try to IPO this year.
What are its numbers?
http://ftx.com/trade/CBSE/USD
Coinbase is probably likely going to try to IPO this year.
What are its numbers?
5) Well, it's hard to find a lot of them.
But, roughly, it looks like they made about $1-2b of revenue last year, had moderately high expenses, and had something like ~50m customers, give or take.
But, roughly, it looks like they made about $1-2b of revenue last year, had moderately high expenses, and had something like ~50m customers, give or take.
6) The first thing that jumps out:
FTX traded about 2x what Coinbase did last year.
FTX did not make $1.5b of revenue.
What's going on there?
FTX traded about 2x what Coinbase did last year.
FTX did not make $1.5b of revenue.
What's going on there?
7) Well, their fees are higher than FTX--something like 4x as high!
But that still doesn't explain it.
But that still doesn't explain it.
9) Now, I want to tread lightly here--don't throw stones in glass houses!
But I tried to buy $8 of BTC. The price I got was... $40,422.
BTC is currently trading at $35,250.
That's a 14.5% fee.
14.5% is a lot.
(Maybe people should check out FTX!)
But I tried to buy $8 of BTC. The price I got was... $40,422.
BTC is currently trading at $35,250.
That's a 14.5% fee.
14.5% is a lot.
(Maybe people should check out FTX!)
10) Well ok then.
So, mostly this is the "Coinbase fee". This isn't a % fee, it's a $ fee; in this case, $0.99. On a $8 trade.
So that's 12% right there.
The other 2.5%? Well, that's the spread.
So, mostly this is the "Coinbase fee". This isn't a % fee, it's a $ fee; in this case, $0.99. On a $8 trade.
So that's 12% right there.
The other 2.5%? Well, that's the spread.
11) Ok, so now things start to line up more.
If they traded $500m/day, and made $1.5b, that means that Coinbase made about 1% on their average trade.
Which, presumably, is some blended rate between ~8bps on their "Coinbase Pro" trades, and 1-10% on their app trades.
If they traded $500m/day, and made $1.5b, that means that Coinbase made about 1% on their average trade.
Which, presumably, is some blended rate between ~8bps on their "Coinbase Pro" trades, and 1-10% on their app trades.
12) A lot of people complain about Coinbase downtime, or lack of features, or ratelimits, or withdrawals.
I wonder if Coinbase even cares.
Its 'pro' fees can't have been more than 10-20% of its revenue, really: 8bps*$500m*365 = $150m.
I wonder if Coinbase even cares.
Its 'pro' fees can't have been more than 10-20% of its revenue, really: 8bps*$500m*365 = $150m.
13) Coinbase doesn't make money when people use its API, or go to http://prime.coinbase.com , or use their ratelimits.
Coinbase makes its money when your high school classmate decides to buy their first $25 of BTC on the app.
Coinbase makes its money when your high school classmate decides to buy their first $25 of BTC on the app.
14) So:
a) Coinbase does, actually, make real money! This isn't Bakkt 2.0.
b) http://ftx.com/trade/CBSE/USD might be worth a lot. Maybe it shouldn't sell itself short. https://twitter.com/SBF_Alameda/status/1342282950054821888
But there's another interesting question here.
What happens when volumes skyrocket?
a) Coinbase does, actually, make real money! This isn't Bakkt 2.0.
b) http://ftx.com/trade/CBSE/USD might be worth a lot. Maybe it shouldn't sell itself short. https://twitter.com/SBF_Alameda/status/1342282950054821888
But there's another interesting question here.
What happens when volumes skyrocket?
15) For FTX, the answer is pretty simple.
Just go to http://ftx.com/FTT .
Last week, FTX had its first ever $2m buy/burn.
Today, we're having a $3m buy/burn.
More volume has exactly the expected effect.
Just go to http://ftx.com/FTT .
Last week, FTX had its first ever $2m buy/burn.
Today, we're having a $3m buy/burn.
More volume has exactly the expected effect.
16) For Coinbase.... I'm actually pretty curious.
Today, Coinbase has $5b of volume. That's a lot!
It's also half of FTX.
Today, Coinbase has $5b of volume. That's a lot!
It's also half of FTX.
17) If this kept up for a year, would Coinbase make $300m? Or $15b?
*Which* volume goes up?
Is it @AWice? Or is it his high school classmate buying their first BTC?
Is it @cmsholdings's bots, or Dan while he's bored in a meeting?
Are they paying 1-10bps or 1-10%?
*Which* volume goes up?
Is it @AWice? Or is it his high school classmate buying their first BTC?
Is it @cmsholdings's bots, or Dan while he's bored in a meeting?
Are they paying 1-10bps or 1-10%?
19) On FTX:
--Volume is up about 10x from a month ago
--Active userbase is up about 1.5x
So if FTX is any guide, most of the volume growth is the heavy duty traders; retail growth is smaller.
Which would imply that Coinbase's revenue is up more like 50% than 500%.
--Volume is up about 10x from a month ago
--Active userbase is up about 1.5x
So if FTX is any guide, most of the volume growth is the heavy duty traders; retail growth is smaller.
Which would imply that Coinbase's revenue is up more like 50% than 500%.
20) But maybe Coinbase isn't like FTX.
Maybe Coinbase really did have 10m users load their app to buy $100 each of BTC yesterday, each paying about $3 in fees.
That would be, at least from Coinbase's perspective, impressive.
Maybe Coinbase really did have 10m users load their app to buy $100 each of BTC yesterday, each paying about $3 in fees.
That would be, at least from Coinbase's perspective, impressive.