Imagine trying to use this "figure it out from inferential reasoning" method on some other piece of obsolete cultural knowledge
Like how to drive a stick shift https://twitter.com/AmeliaRoseWrite/status/1345695641343705090
Like how to drive a stick shift https://twitter.com/AmeliaRoseWrite/status/1345695641343705090
I wouldn't even try the "figure it out" thing with something like a vinyl record player, because it's guaranteed the kid will scratch the hell out of the record if they don't know what they're doing
He only went with it because the only thing getting damaged was a can of beans
He only went with it because the only thing getting damaged was a can of beans
But it's not, like, a good philosophy for learning or teaching in general
Not as you get older and things matter more
You don't learn to drive by getting behind the wheel of a car and "figuring it out"
Not as you get older and things matter more
You don't learn to drive by getting behind the wheel of a car and "figuring it out"
I dunno
I feel like ironically this whole badass self-reliance Rational Man thing is very modern
It is the product of a society built on abundance and safety
You gotta be rich, relatively speaking, to just fuck around and try to figure shit out on your own
I feel like ironically this whole badass self-reliance Rational Man thing is very modern
It is the product of a society built on abundance and safety
You gotta be rich, relatively speaking, to just fuck around and try to figure shit out on your own
The people most likely to fuck up their house with DIY projects are middle class homeowners with too much time on their hands, who won't have a landlord coming after them for breaking something, and all that
Those badass hunter-gatherer societies living on the edge of survival that guys like this idolize did NOT fuck around like this, is the thing
In a society living under harsh conditions you learn what your elders teach you and you fucking follow it, period
In a society living under harsh conditions you learn what your elders teach you and you fucking follow it, period
When they tell you a plant is poisonous, you listen to them, and you don't touch it
They don't let you just fuck around putting different things in your mouth to find out what is and isn't poisonous
Because if it is poisonous, they can't pump your stomach, you just die
They don't let you just fuck around putting different things in your mouth to find out what is and isn't poisonous
Because if it is poisonous, they can't pump your stomach, you just die
When they tell you you don't fuck around in a predator's territory and do stupid shit to attract their attention like leaving trash out in the open, they expect you to just do it
You don't ask questions about it or try it anyway to see what really happens
You don't ask questions about it or try it anyway to see what really happens
Someone who doesn't listen when told not to do it the first time gets everyone killed
This is why these things graduate from just "advice" to being actual "orders", and from "orders" to "laws", and "laws" to "religious taboo"
This is why these things graduate from just "advice" to being actual "orders", and from "orders" to "laws", and "laws" to "religious taboo"
Like look the reason for the long list of taboos and prohibitions in Leviticus is the ancient Israelites were wandering in the desert, the situation in which a society has the least amount of surplus or slack
If you're living in the desert you absolutely cannot afford to fuck around and find out
You do what you're told, what your culture has accreted as conventional wisdom after generations of costly trial and error
If you can't be relied to do what you're told you get punished
You do what you're told, what your culture has accreted as conventional wisdom after generations of costly trial and error
If you can't be relied to do what you're told you get punished
The example that comes to mind is the cultivation of manioc (cassava) in indigenous cultures
Manioc is a godsend in many parts of the world, a highly concentrated starchy foodstuff that thrives in environments where most other crops fail
It is also incredibly toxic
Manioc is a godsend in many parts of the world, a highly concentrated starchy foodstuff that thrives in environments where most other crops fail
It is also incredibly toxic
These two things are unfortunate facts that go together - the cassava plant protects itself from being dug up for its calorie-rich roots by being full of cyanide
If you eat manioc raw, you are likely to die a horrible death shortly
If you eat manioc raw, you are likely to die a horrible death shortly
Manioc can only be eaten after processing - the plant must be soaked and dried repeatedly, squeezing out the water (carrying the cyanide away) periodically throughout, and then thoroughly cooked
It's highly labor-intensive, societies that depend on it spend a lot of time on it
It's highly labor-intensive, societies that depend on it spend a lot of time on it
In some cultures their traditional process takes *three days* of soaking between harvesting the plant and eating it
It's a tradeoff - the less time you spend soaking it the more work you have to do squeezing the old water out, the less work you do the longer it takes
It's a tradeoff - the less time you spend soaking it the more work you have to do squeezing the old water out, the less work you do the longer it takes
But there's no getting around it
And people who arrived later DID try to get around it, constantly
There are repeated stories of explorers and traders coming into contact with indigenous societies and thinking of soaking and squeezing the manioc as a "ritual" they didn't get
And people who arrived later DID try to get around it, constantly
There are repeated stories of explorers and traders coming into contact with indigenous societies and thinking of soaking and squeezing the manioc as a "ritual" they didn't get
You know, it's not an unreasonable thing to think - lots of things in the world seem to be rituals and superstitions people come up with because they take things too far
Surely you can cut down the "ritual" process of soaking the manioc from three days to one day
Surely you can cut down the "ritual" process of soaking the manioc from three days to one day
And the thing is, they can't tell you why, exactly and specifically, you have to soak it for three days
They didn't have modern biochemistry, they couldn't isolate the cyanide from manioc and tell you that it's a potent neurotoxin
They just knew it's what you're supposed to do
They didn't have modern biochemistry, they couldn't isolate the cyanide from manioc and tell you that it's a potent neurotoxin
They just knew it's what you're supposed to do
And unfortunately, this kind of thing is a continuum
Cyanide poisoning can be chronic as well as acute
Half-assing the preparation process *seems like it works*, nobody just up and dies right away
Cyanide poisoning can be chronic as well as acute
Half-assing the preparation process *seems like it works*, nobody just up and dies right away
If you soak it for one day instead of three days, everyone seems fine at first, and then slowly over time people start getting serious health problems
Developing goiters (the cyanide builds up in your thyroid gland), dying young
Developing goiters (the cyanide builds up in your thyroid gland), dying young
Hell, if it's mild enough, you don't even actually know anyone is sick
People just start getting... clumsier, weaker, more scatterbrained
The cyanide slowly poisoning your brain and your nervous system but this being hard to distinguish from the overall signs of age
People just start getting... clumsier, weaker, more scatterbrained
The cyanide slowly poisoning your brain and your nervous system but this being hard to distinguish from the overall signs of age
(I think about the difficulty of knowing just how much your brain has been damaged by your environment a lot
Re: the lead poisoning epidemic of the mid-20th century, or what we're likely to see in the aftermath of COVID-19)
Re: the lead poisoning epidemic of the mid-20th century, or what we're likely to see in the aftermath of COVID-19)
Obviously what happened historically is that it was an evolutionary process
People who were more "superstitious" and scrupulous about soaking and squeezing the cassava again and again and again lived in communities that were healthier and lived longer
People who were more "superstitious" and scrupulous about soaking and squeezing the cassava again and again and again lived in communities that were healthier and lived longer
People whose communities half-assed it died off
They may not even have ever known that was why they died off
They were just weaker and lost more people to accidents, predators, losing wars against other communities
They may not even have ever known that was why they died off
They were just weaker and lost more people to accidents, predators, losing wars against other communities
This happened again en masse when European colonization disrupted the culture of West Africa
Feeling the new economic squeeze of harsh masters demanding more work for less reward, land being cleared to grow cash crops, being ravaged by war etc, the "old ways" were forgotten
Feeling the new economic squeeze of harsh masters demanding more work for less reward, land being cleared to grow cash crops, being ravaged by war etc, the "old ways" were forgotten
The 19th and 20th centuries saw an explosion of goiters as a chronic condition in many parts of West Africa, and the introduction of a new illness, "konzo" ("bound legs") in hunger-stricken communities, where random people mysteriously lost the ability to walk
Modern science had to swoop in and try to figure out the cause and it took them a while, for all their technology and expertise
It's a hard thing to nail down, the first suspects are either germs or a nutrient deficiency and it wasn't that
It's a hard thing to nail down, the first suspects are either germs or a nutrient deficiency and it wasn't that
The actual answer, the opposite of a nutrient deficiency - an environmental toxin that's universally present in the community's staple food source - was kind of a harsh surprise
There's been a lot of papers written about the UN having to go humbly to find old women who remembered the "old ways" so they could train the younger generations on how manioc should be properly prepared
It's the original case study of hidden value in "primitive folkways"
It's the original case study of hidden value in "primitive folkways"
And I mean yeah
In the *long* run Western science and our philosophy of asking questions and overturning tradition and inventing new things won, I suppose
In the modern era you can just buy tapioca starch made from cassava in a factory with no risk of poisoning yourself
In the *long* run Western science and our philosophy of asking questions and overturning tradition and inventing new things won, I suppose
In the modern era you can just buy tapioca starch made from cassava in a factory with no risk of poisoning yourself
But a lot of people suffered and died in that transition
The long period of time in between in which smart arrogant white people showed up and said "This whole three day soak thing is a huge waste of time and time is money so we're changing it"
The long period of time in between in which smart arrogant white people showed up and said "This whole three day soak thing is a huge waste of time and time is money so we're changing it"
It turns out that ugly cliché of "I'm just telling you how to do it because this is how my mom told me to do it and how her mom told her to do it and scores of generations that survived this long can't be wrong" isn't always a bad thing
Most people in history who survived a long time didn't do it by being clever and using their brains and figuring things out from scratch at all
They survived by taking orders and doing what you're supposed to do
They survived by taking orders and doing what you're supposed to do