I don't understand why exclusionists insist bi lesbian is such an impossible contradiction when their definition of lesbian is a straight lesbian, exclusively, to the exclusion of gay lesbians even non-mspec

This is only half punchline, the other half is critical gender analysis

Criticism of Christian supremacy that is actually intersectional and anti-racist distinguishes Christian atheism from atheism simply and areligion simply. Someone who has grown up in a Christian family, culture, and nation, especially white, is going to still be

aggressively Christian by default. No matter how "secular" your gift-giving on Dec. 25th, your eating of turkey at the end of November, your egg hunts in April, you're still following a Christian calendar set by Christian structures to reinforce Christian culture and

power structures. You're still passively engaging in a system that commits violence to non-Christian holiday calendars and the people who practice them.

*allocishet lesbian https://twitter.com/kalina_chung/status/1344105619540733952

The definition, "a woman who is not attracted to men," is by a similar token an entirely allocishet definition on allocishet terms from exclusively allocishet experience. It is a set of terms and assumptions that have absolutely nothing at all to do with queerness,

homo-attraction, sapphic lives, or anything else. The centering of men, the rejection thereof, is something that only makes sense and only has motive power from the starting premise that women are to be prizes for men, ie the binary roles of binary culture and

the experience with coercive heterosexuality from the perspective of the designated "wife" in binary and nuclear family culture. Trans lesbians for one have absolutely no frame of reference for any part of that since we're alienated at least twofold from that culture before

we even come out.

"Women who are not attracted to men," is a metric that largely only has relevance in terms of a cis woman rejecting the binary "wife" role she is to be assigned in binary culture. It's an absolute non-factor in even the cis lesbian experience from

lesbian grounding, because actual, loudly *lesbian* lesbianity is being gay as motherfucking fuck for girls, sapphics, nonbinary people, butches and femmes, trans lesbians, and everyone else who resonates with that weird energy. Being a lesbian is all about positively being

attracted to lesbians and others -- yearning -- being *motherfucking gay*. It makes no sense to turn your attention to orthodox behavior wrt men, either way, whichever which way you react. Lesbian life in practice is being in community with so many lesbians who dated men before

they knew themselves; trans men and others who have varying relationships with the word "lesbian"; nonbinary lesbians and mspecs who have varying engagement with testosterone and masculinity; and all other manner of gender weirdness and alienation from binary roles,

that it makes no sense to have any other reaction than laughter/not giving a fuck/etc at the demands of gold star lesbianism.

*Culturally* lesbian it does not make sense to define the word in terms of orthodox relationship to men. *Culturally* there is no contradiction,

no possibility of a tortuous hypothetical contradiction, between putting a positive attraction to women (lesbian) in combination with a positive attraction to women (bi, pan, and other mspec). *Culturally* lesbian definition of lesbian has absolutely jack-all to do with radfem bs

Culturally, the definition of lesbian as "no men allowed" is one that makes no cultural, communal, visceral sense except from within the strict confines of the cis body in binary culture. It is a rejection of allocishet roles from the allocishet perspective. It is, in a word,

being an allo cis straight lesbian.

*That's not even getting into how this shitcourse pulls its entire philosophy and gender theory from *literal allocishet women who motherfucking hated sapphics with a burning passion but elected to make a political identity of

choosing to be lesbians*.

The way the shitcourse thinks "trans women are women and lesbian includes trans lesbians by default" is inoculation against criticism of its radfem tendencies, is honestly in itself, at isolated face value already, one of the more transmisogynistic acts I've encountered.

Like honestly take a real good look at it. "Trans women are women" in the wider culture of trans Pokemon and videogame VAs slowly taking more spaces away from trans-exclusionary reactionary gamers means, "fuck transmisogyny, center trans women". Where it actually counts

for something it means critically reexamining every assumption baked into our understanding of gender et al by a transphobic culture, and centering trans women's voices on trans women's issues.

"Trans lesbians are lesbian so 'no men allowed' is totally fine" does no such thing.

It is not bringing up trans lesbians to incorporate trans perspectives on the lesbian experience. It is not even treating us as people. It is saying, "they have the flag 'woman' so they can be shuffled into this binary category where they won't upset my understanding of gender."

It literally is not giving any more consideration to trans lesbians than that the English language -- a language defined by colonialism, oppressor culture, and absolute homophobia and transphobia -- labels us vaguely the same as cis women and so we can be treated as part of

the same pile of commodities.

It still does not make even lip service mention of our particular relationship with gender, coercive heterosexuality, and all that. It still does not make the shitcourse any less aggressively cis in its narrative of lesbian oppression.

It still does not stop one single exclusionist from telling literal trans lesbians that we're not lesbian, that we're being lesbophobic in detailing TERF behavior that's happening at this same minute elsewhere on this hellsite. It still does not stop them cissplaining

trans lesbian inclusion at us, as a counterargument to trans people pointing out the transphobic radfem bent and dog whistles in their definitions and theory of lesbian.

Like, "lesbians are trans," if it is to mean anything, means that we're going to fuck up your neat little fences around L, G, B, and T, and we're going to upset the entire dichotomy of gay vs straight, men vs women, simply by being queer as fuck. Our experience of gender is

going to reveal the lie of the sexuality binary, and our field experience fighting TERFs is going to ruin all the words being popularized for lesbian-centering theory (eg the way "lesbophobic" is more often used for transmisogyny than for lesbian benefit).

And again, *gay-ass lesbians don't even reject straight lesbians.* A lot of us trans lesbians are going to be positively stoked to help another lesbiab escape the same Matrix we were stuck in at another angle. (A lot of us trans lesbians are going to have connections to

trans straight girls who helped us discover ourselves, so we have less than zero reason to reject lesbians for kissing boys or whatever.) Cultural lesbians just recognize the enemy when we see it, either from visceral reaction to the inherently transmisogynistic tilt of

authoritarian theory or from contact with field experience of the last time the community fought it in the 70s.

(And again, this is within the context of "straight lesbian" as a call-out of the unexamined contradictions in exclusionist shitcourse. We haven't even gotten to the culturally queer definitions of straight lesbian.)