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[42th Thread : Refutation of ignorant claims by a bigot]
1.This thread is yet again another refutation of a fake sanghi historian whose plagarized threads I've already refuted 6 times.
Truth:- Thread I wrote on archeological evidence, so it exists.
https://twitter.com/Burairss/status/1334580471263420420?s=19 https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027499694243842
1.This thread is yet again another refutation of a fake sanghi historian whose plagarized threads I've already refuted 6 times.
Truth:- Thread I wrote on archeological evidence, so it exists.
https://twitter.com/Burairss/status/1334580471263420420?s=19 https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027499694243842
2. (i) Michael Penn who studied Syriac sources for the early Islamic period, paired with clear-headed analysis and sober conclusions, have mentioned about the eye-witness report of Islamic Conquests & the text clearly refers to Muhammad(s), Arabs 
(ii) As mentioned below
(ii) As mentioned below
The writer used the extra space in the original manuscript & hence the title is "Adding a text - Brit Library Additional 14461".
(iii) Penn mentioned in above article that the writer added the note in 637AD which is an eye-witness report of Islamic Conquests.
Battle of Gabitha
(iii) Penn mentioned in above article that the writer added the note in 637AD which is an eye-witness report of Islamic Conquests.
Battle of Gabitha
is actually Battle of Yarmouk which can be concluded using dates, places.
(iv)Hence the claim from manuscript is indeed true.
3.(i) This is a claim by @Aabhas24 with no evidence. To debunk this bogus claim, one can refer to Syriac later sources which https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027515955609600?s=20
(iv)Hence the claim from manuscript is indeed true.
3.(i) This is a claim by @Aabhas24 with no evidence. To debunk this bogus claim, one can refer to Syriac later sources which https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027515955609600?s=20
clearly mentioned Muhammad= ܡܘܚܡܕ like in Anonymous Chronicle written in 49/50AH
This text & text of Presbyter narrate same:- "Their leader was Muhammad. Neither walls nor gates stood up before them, nor did weapon or shields & they dominated the entire lands of the Persians,”
This text & text of Presbyter narrate same:- "Their leader was Muhammad. Neither walls nor gates stood up before them, nor did weapon or shields & they dominated the entire lands of the Persians,”
(ii) @Aabhas24 again made a claim with no evidence out of his ignorance. Yet the above docs says contrary.
(iii) Again, no evidence for his claim & there was 1 caliph back then - Abu Bakr; this is not ambiguous as evident from History. These battles took place in 634AD
(iii) Again, no evidence for his claim & there was 1 caliph back then - Abu Bakr; this is not ambiguous as evident from History. These battles took place in 634AD
Battles :-
Ajnadayn, Firaz, Dathin, Qaryatayn, Marj Raht, Bosra & Maraj al Debaj.
(iv) Another bogus claim as why ibn Ishaq didn't use it as a source.
2 main reasons:-
a. He was writing biography as he knew Rasulallah existed & wasn't arguing for historicity.
b. That source
Ajnadayn, Firaz, Dathin, Qaryatayn, Marj Raht, Bosra & Maraj al Debaj.
(iv) Another bogus claim as why ibn Ishaq didn't use it as a source.
2 main reasons:-
a. He was writing biography as he knew Rasulallah existed & wasn't arguing for historicity.
b. That source
wasn't available to him as he never traveled to Levant.
Also, before Ibn Ishaq there were book like Muwatta, Zuhri sirah who took the Sunnah directly from the companions.
4. (i) Here he used a portion from the chapter on 'manuscripts' from https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027515955609600?s=20
Also, before Ibn Ishaq there were book like Muwatta, Zuhri sirah who took the Sunnah directly from the companions.
4. (i) Here he used a portion from the chapter on 'manuscripts' from https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027515955609600?s=20
'The Armenian History' without noticing that the text of Sebeos was mentioned by later Armenian historians & earlier researchers.
So the authorship isn't disputed but can't be ascertained due to missing name in manuscript.Then the translatord went on to explain but didn't reject.
So the authorship isn't disputed but can't be ascertained due to missing name in manuscript.Then the translatord went on to explain but didn't reject.
Even if we accept that it's not a text by Sebeos, when there is no evidence to disprove it, still the events related to Muhammad(s) & Arab Conquests are very vivid & detailed as mentioned by authors in Commentary.
(ii) T'deaos used 2nd available manuscript to publish it but
(ii) T'deaos used 2nd available manuscript to publish it but
the argument is over the History of Heraclius & Anonymous History but never over the Arab Conquests, which later Armenian historians & Syriac sources clearly mentioned.
(iii) @Aabhas24 fully copy-pasted the excerpts from the chapter on 'Manuscripts' without realizing that
(iii) @Aabhas24 fully copy-pasted the excerpts from the chapter on 'Manuscripts' without realizing that
T'deaos MS can be dated back to 1675 which was originally handwritten & correspond to MS(A).
(iv)He also forgot to understand T'deaos had divided the MS into 3 parts & the 3rd section of MS was itself divided by Sebeos into 38 parts including Arab Conquests which isnt disputed.
(iv)He also forgot to understand T'deaos had divided the MS into 3 parts & the 3rd section of MS was itself divided by Sebeos into 38 parts including Arab Conquests which isnt disputed.
So,even without knowing the author, whereas the author is clear for 3rd section which is Sebeos,the accounts on Prophet Muhammad(s) & Arab Conquests are unchallenged.
No researcher has raised the question over the authenticity of MS, just the question of attribution.
(v) The
No researcher has raised the question over the authenticity of MS, just the question of attribution.
(v) The
reason why Ibn Hisham didn't mention Sebeos is bcz he mostly copied from Ibn Ishaq, who was writing Rasulallah life, not arguing for historicity nor he ever traveled to Levant.
5. (i)Again it's so bizarre of @aabhas to say why a Muslim cant talk of jewish https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027520867147777?s=20
5. (i)Again it's so bizarre of @aabhas to say why a Muslim cant talk of jewish https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027520867147777?s=20
& christian Prophets when clearly such expressions referring to Rasulallah is quite profound in Qur'an (5 instances)
Also, the text was talking of collecting revenues in form of Zakat & also jizya which has to be paid by non-muslims as protection tax, so it's about Rasulallah.
)Also, the text was talking of collecting revenues in form of Zakat & also jizya which has to be paid by non-muslims as protection tax, so it's about Rasulallah.
Even if we've to accept @Aabhas24
claim, he's provided no evidence for it.
(ii) Strawman argument by @Aabhas24 that just bcz it exists in Bukhari, so the personality was fabricated around his time. This is when Malik in Muwatta recorded Rasulallah sunnah, much before Bukhari.
claim, he's provided no evidence for it.
(ii) Strawman argument by @Aabhas24 that just bcz it exists in Bukhari, so the personality was fabricated around his time. This is when Malik in Muwatta recorded Rasulallah sunnah, much before Bukhari.
6.(i) Lemme first briefly describe the history of coins in Arabia.
Before using coins, Arabs operated as a trade-barter society, exchanging food, livestock, as well as spices & rare fragrances obtained on their travels.
Following the death of Rasulallah https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027526210609152?s=20
Before using coins, Arabs operated as a trade-barter society, exchanging food, livestock, as well as spices & rare fragrances obtained on their travels.
Following the death of Rasulallah https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027526210609152?s=20
Islamic Conquests continued to expand under Umayyids.
In 7th century Arabia, existing coins from the defeated Byzantine & Sasanian empires including Levant & Egypt would become the first coins used by Muslims.
In the early years of the great Muslim conquests there was no
In 7th century Arabia, existing coins from the defeated Byzantine & Sasanian empires including Levant & Egypt would become the first coins used by Muslims.
In the early years of the great Muslim conquests there was no
existing tradition of coinage so the rulers simply adapted or took inspiration from what coinage was in use for their own purposes." Like this silver Arab-Sasanian coin dubbed the "Standing Caliph", because one side depicts a standing figure of a man holding a sword.
The coin is similar to existing silver drachms, which were in circulation at the time. By this point in history, the Muslim conquests had extended both east & westwards, uniting both the former Byzantine & Sasanian empires & their coinage, under Islamic Rule.
This is evident
This is evident
from the fact that Greek was the language of state & under abdul malik bin marwan reign, Greek clerks were working for the state.
After 3 decades of varying forms of hybrid coins, in the year 77AH,the first Umayyad gold dinar was struck, heralding the birth of a new purely
After 3 decades of varying forms of hybrid coins, in the year 77AH,the first Umayyad gold dinar was struck, heralding the birth of a new purely
Islamic coinage.
{Lyod,Coin specialist}
It's Imam Baqir, great grandson of Rasulallah who introduced the 1st coin & ordered abdul malik how to design & what to engrave on it.He materialized his order, sent the coins to all Islamic cities & invalidate all Byzantine coins.
Coins
{Lyod,Coin specialist}
It's Imam Baqir, great grandson of Rasulallah who introduced the 1st coin & ordered abdul malik how to design & what to engrave on it.He materialized his order, sent the coins to all Islamic cities & invalidate all Byzantine coins.
Coins
(ii) As mentioned above, till 77AH, the Islamic world adapted the Sasanian & Byaztine coins & so the depiction resembles their inscription but of a Muslim ruler.
They also had drachm depicting Mihrab & Anaza/spear in between to honor which Rasulallah used to carry.
They also had drachm depicting Mihrab & Anaza/spear in between to honor which Rasulallah used to carry.
There is no textual evidence that Islam prohibits such inscriptions on coins.
(iii) Commander of Faithful is a common title for any Muslim caliph back then.
(iv) Imam Baqir as been Prophet Muhammad(s) grandson literally commanded how to design an Islamic coin. Then we've
(iii) Commander of Faithful is a common title for any Muslim caliph back then.
(iv) Imam Baqir as been Prophet Muhammad(s) grandson literally commanded how to design an Islamic coin. Then we've
Qur'an, inscriptions, companions, Syriac sources to tell us that Rasulallah existed long before abdul malik.
7(i) This is not the 1st archeological evidence. I've already mentioned the archeological evidences in my 35th Thread. Taken from there https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027526210609152?s=20
7(i) This is not the 1st archeological evidence. I've already mentioned the archeological evidences in my 35th Thread. Taken from there https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027526210609152?s=20
3 evidences;an inscription from Tabuk mentioning name احمد, another inscription from Jerusalem mentioning his name & his Suhulia garment from Suhul,Yemen.
(ii)Already mentioned that they're using Sasanian & Byzantine coinage.
(iii) The coins weren't Christian in nature as those
(ii)Already mentioned that they're using Sasanian & Byzantine coinage.
(iii) The coins weren't Christian in nature as those
coins used to have cross; these coins have Mehrab, Anaza & Allah inscribed on it while Arabic wasn't the language of both Sasanian & Byzantine empires.
8(i) This is an ignorant claim.
abdul malik was inscribed on it bcz the Islamic world was ruled by https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027536839004160?s=20
8(i) This is an ignorant claim.
abdul malik was inscribed on it bcz the Islamic world was ruled by https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1342027536839004160?s=20
3 individuals - Mukhtar in Kufa, Makkah, Medina, Basra under abdullah bin Zubayr & Shām/Syria under abdul malik. Hence why he inscribed his name & title.
Besides, Byzantine style of coinage was still common till 77AH.
So, No Prophet Muhammad(s) was completely different person.
Besides, Byzantine style of coinage was still common till 77AH.
So, No Prophet Muhammad(s) was completely different person.
9(i) This is a baseless claim as I have posted inscriptions and Syriac sources mentioning Rasulallah name long before Abāssa passed away.
Moreover, it exposes @Aabhas24 has no clue of Asma ar Rijal.
Abāssa was the sister of abdul malik ibn Jurayj, who was Taba' at Tabi'een.
Moreover, it exposes @Aabhas24 has no clue of Asma ar Rijal.
Abāssa was the sister of abdul malik ibn Jurayj, who was Taba' at Tabi'een.
Ibn Jurayj lived almost all his life in Makkah & traveled to Sana' during the end of his life. There Abd al Razzaq took from him 5000 narrations & included in his al Musannaf. His Tafsir has just recently published. So, we aren't dependent on inscriptions only when ppl who lived
with Rasulallah transmitted about him & it's written down.
(ii) We don't need a biography to know about him as Qur'an is the biggest evidence of his existence as well as of Islam.
Besides that, we've inscriptions, foreign sources, his companions transmissing Aahadith etc.
(ii) We don't need a biography to know about him as Qur'an is the biggest evidence of his existence as well as of Islam.
Besides that, we've inscriptions, foreign sources, his companions transmissing Aahadith etc.
(iii) The inscription actually proved the fact that Rasulallah existed. So it's a strawman & begging the question fallacies.
CONCLUSION :--- None of @Aabhas24 rebuttal claims stand to be correct but rather he based them all on conjecture & biased understanding.
END!!!
CONCLUSION :--- None of @Aabhas24 rebuttal claims stand to be correct but rather he based them all on conjecture & biased understanding.
END!!!
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