1. So I can’t sleep, and after a good cry, and after meditating a little, I decided that I’ll be brave like @theKevinGarcia_ was & do a @threadapalooza on my experience in reparative therapy here in sunny Singapore.

Also inspired by WW84 to own my truth. Thank you @GalGadot. 🙏🏻
2. So I joined Choices at Church of our Saviour (COOS) many years ago.

Contrary to popular belief, I was not coerced there. I checked myself into the programme voluntarily.

“Why?” I hear you asking? 👂🏼

Well, read on.
3. I had not a single gay friend and felt so terribly alone.

Can’t drink & don’t enjoy loud music so clubs were out. On a particularly desperate night I worked up the courage to go to one, only to end up at the front door & then turning back.

It wasn’t the correct night. 😅
4. I did make many good friends at Choices and I have no regrets about joining it then.

I mean, I did not know about the currently queer affirming church I now attend.

I’d not heard of Free Community Church but the first thing that came up on @Google was COOS, so... 🤷🏻‍♀️
5. Which reminds me. The reason why I was even Googling in the first place was cos I’d watched a Sy Rogers DVD I’d requested & gotten from my closest friends at @chcsg for my birthday that year.

He used to come to speak but I was too poor to afford his DVDs.

So ask and... 📀
6. Also, just to correct a tiny error, Sy Rogers didn’t really lead Exodus International if my memory serves me right.

Only the Asia-Pacific arm of it.

It was @AlanMChambers who was President & he was the one who led the shutting down of the organisation.

Thanks Alan. 🙏🏻 https://twitter.com/historyogi/status/1342056537708064770
7. I went to Irvine, California those many years back, excited to attend what was my first and last ever Exodus International conference.

It was very interesting to say the least.

To finally meet some @Twitter friends, @rthomasart and Alan too.

Tried my 1st grilled cheese 🥪
8. I think people really don’t appreciate how much folks treasure a core part of themselves - their faith - and want to adhere to its teachings.

My straight roommate was engaged to a guy with same sex attractions (SSA) and now they’re married with a baby.

And before you...
9. And before you dismiss the internalised homophobia within these gay folks, try to understand that there are many Christians who have grappled with Scripture from both POVs.

I am horrified at the constant condemnation, tone policing, & sneering attitude people have.
10. I mean come on, have you ever put yourself in the shoes of queer Christians in Singapore where there isn’t much choice if they want to adhere to traditional doctrine (FCC doesn’t; it is a progressive church) apart from: https://twitter.com/guanyinmiao/status/1342054014267977729
11. Queer (and sometimes even straight) folk are super condescending and make fun of queer Christians for being faithful.

Christians keep telling them to take the straight and narrow path and to deny themselves.

It’s between a rock and a hard place y’all.

🤦🏻‍♀️
12. Anyways, back to Choices.

It was the first place I found friends I didn’t have to defend my views or explain things I’d otherwise have to with straight Christian friends.

I felt seen. I felt known. I felt safe.

Do you know how rare that is?
13. I contested a lot of their teachings & was the most liberal out of the lot.

We watched super old Sy Roger videos and discussed them. Read articles on why one shouldn’t masturbate and discussed them.

They were all topics that pastors never talked about in church.
14. Later on, after I graduated from the course (it was 3 modules over 1.5 years) I kept in touch with my group mates.

Talking about it brings up amusing memories.

We were not allowed to exchange numbers upon entry,
& had to sign a contract saying that one would not date. 👩‍❤️‍👩
15. Became even more liberal as I engaged with @twitter friends online.

Probably why I got into a kerfuffle over text with my support group mate.

She was one of the most cheerful person I knew & it was surprising to find out that depression caused her to take her own life.
16. Content warning ⚠️ :
Mention of suicide

Maybe typing this thread will finally allow me to let go.

It’s been 3 years and it was a myriad of factors that led to it.
17. Content warning ⚠️: Mention of suicide

But being unable to accept that she’d be gay for life & alone - that hit her hard.

Reminds me of what @Forward2000 said in a podcast about @Personhoodlives pointing out that churches don’t healthy provide options for lifelong celibacy.
18. In a @Patreon only podcast, I listened and related so hard you cannot imagine.

It’s so tough growing up gay and Christian in church when you’re closeted as a kid, hearing all the homophobia casually thrown around you...

And then BAM! 💥

Puberty hits and you realise... 🤯 https://twitter.com/Forward2000/status/1339644926867468292
19. So anyways, talking about this reminds me of how I used to follow so ardently the blogs of @stephenblong @rthomasart @wesleyhill @melindaselmys

& watched @AustenLionheart’s Trans & Christian videos on @youtube fervently.

It helped me feel less lonely.

You cannot imagine.
20. Okay I’m jumping back and forth cos this isn’t a memoir but my neurons making connections every time I mention something new.

I recall going to the Gay Christian Network conference in Houston, meeting Austen & @geekyJustinLee.

It was good to finally meet @twitter friends.
21. I invited myself, or rather, I showed up to a Side B dinner and had the privilege of sitting at the same table with @ronbelgau and @NateCollins.

It was a tiny, tiny gathering and it was lovely.

I’m so thankful @geekyJustinLee made the decision to include both sides in GCN.
22. So for the uninitiated, Side A are Christians who believe that God is okay with gay relationships & Side B folks believe that God isn’t okay with it.
23. Side A folks usually enter same sex marriages.

As for Side B folks, options include:

1. Celibacy
2. Celibate partnerships
3. Mixed orientation marriages (aka a gay person marries a straight person)
24. Before people come at me saying it’s untenable, why are you trying to police others?

1. Monks are celibate.
2. There are stories of friends staying together for life - Check out @wesleyhill’s “Spiritual Friendship”.
3. I know people mentioned in this🧵in happy marriages.
25. To each their own I say. Life is a process of self discovery.

However, these days I lean more toward the positions of @stephenblong @emmykegler and @matthiasroberts even though for me, it’s a bit more complicated than that.
26. Back to reparative therapy.

Fun Fact: I didn’t know it’s conversion therapy until @BoyErased cos they didn’t actively try to convert us into being straight.

Haha bet you didn’t know that.
27. Should I continue with this track?

Fun fact: Men and women are separated into two groups by gender cos they were afraid that bringing up topics about the opposite gender with them being present would not be good.
28. How about another one?

Fun fact: People actually got together in the support groups even though it wasn’t allowed.

Maybe they did so after the programme ended.

I suppose vulnerable sharing coupled with similar values can be very attractive. 👨‍❤️‍👨
29. The people I met were cool though.

Funny. Smart. Intelligent.

All of us were adults and we checked in by our own free will.

So please don’t propagate falsehoods.

Although I must say they’d meet younger people and that’s worrying. Not sure how it is now. Sigh. Sadz. 😞
30. Choices was actually shut down for a while but then revived recently.

I’m not sure why & I went to meet the current coordinator to voice out my concerns & share about my friend’s death.
31. She was genuinely surprised & concerned that harm occured. No one briefed her?

But I wasn’t in a good place to follow up. So I didn’t.

Maybe when I’m in a better place, I might check in with her again. 🤕
32. The programme has evolved from when it first started when Sy Rogers helmed it.

According to senior alumni, it was more hardcore(?) earlier on when he was around and then was toned down after he left to pursue his international ministry.
33. Moving along, I remember how it was always a problem introducing ourselves outside since most of us were closeted.

Fun Fact: We were supposed to say we met at a “seminar” lol which is sort of the truth cos Christians aren’t supposed to lie.
34. Which became a problem when I had to attend my friend’s funeral.

God I hated saying that we had mutual friends.

I hated lying about how we met.

So sad and angry thinking about it. ☹️😡
35. My sibling could not understand how affected I was.

“I mean, she’s just your friend, right?”

Nope.

We were soldiers and were in the trenches together. I saw her cry one and only one time during support group and it was awful.
36. Which leads me to my next topic:

How cleverly packaged Christian materials are that my queer affirming church’s cell group accidentally used a bible study from an anti gay pastor cos it looked “innocent”
enough.
37. It was not really their fault, they’d not been though the system I’d come out of.

But my trauma manifested when I heard the phrase “Let us share how you relate to your parent and how that affects your relationship with God”

How is that even biblically man. Gah.
38. I protested, they continued,
& I sobbed so hard in the restroom after it ended I’d to spend some time composing myself before exiting.

It was dark so no one noticed.

Unfortunately my heart did. I texted the other leader, he apologised & so did my pastor when she found out.
39. I forgot to mention that both Side A and Side B can be substantially support by Scripture and theology.

I’ve read both sides extensively so I’d appreciate if no one threw bible passages at me.

Thank you. Next... https://twitter.com/missrachelreads/status/1342144067027808257
40. Speaking of which, it’s fascinating how lay Christians think they are so well versed in biblical hermeneutics it blows my mind.

🤯

Like do you even know what you are quoting when you tell me about Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Romans, etc?
41. I guess it doesn’t really matter since the my previous senior pastor I greatly respected once now proclaims on IGTV that it’s okay to take Scripture out of context when it is a standalone truth.

I cannot.
42. I disagree with @konghee that we can take Scripture out of context but then I still remain convinced by @wesleyhill that the bible’s overarching theme is marriage between a man and a woman.

Haha surprising isn’t it.
43. Except for me, my stance is a bit more like @peteenns now that the Bible needs to be read with context in mind.

Also, whether it’s divinely inspired or not, when kids wanna kill themselves so they can go to Heaven for not sinning for transition / engaging in gay sex then 🙅🏻‍♀️
44. I wonder now whether my friend would still be alive if she embraced all of herself and not try to hard to repress it.

She was in a very judgmental church that would not have taken it well.
45. Unlike @chcsg where I came out to a bunch of supportive friends (when I was Side B) but later left cos a transphobic joke by a guest pastor ( @ARBernard) affected me so.

I tried to escalate it to @konghee but it was in vain cos they were all in the middle of a trial.
46. I felt like Ps @konghee might have listened.

Although the fact that I was in the country’s (then) largest church, not knowing a single LGBT person was awful. Felt so alone.

Entering FCC, I now have loads of queer Christian friends and if Jesus came for the marginalised...
47. Talking about this openly has lifted a large burden off my shoulders.

It’s so hard to be hiding all your life you know.

That’s probably why I relate to Elsa so hard in @DisneyFrozen.

“I’ve always been so different, normal rules did not apply...”
48. When I finally plucked up the courage to tell my CGL at @chcsg that I thought God’s fine with gay relationships, I got an email quoting Leviticus.

At that time, I didn’t see the verse objectively.

I felt like *I* was the abomination.

Breaks my heart thinking about it. 💔
49. Ya know, when I left CHC for ARPC, it was always:

“Conceal, don’t feel,
Don’t let them know...”

Sigh. I did meet up with the senior pastor of @arpcsg and this time around, I was granted an audience cos the church was large but still a fraction of my former one.
50. I left @arpcsg after a Christmas sermon mentioned how 2 gay dads abused their son was preached by Ps. Chris Chia.

This was after I spoke with him about his problematic sermons.

Then after X’mas, I got news my friend who couldn’t stand being gay & Christian killed herself.
51. Had to leave the church or I’d be the next to be killed.

By my own hand.

After seeing therapists from The Christian Closet, @oogachaga, MDC Music Therapy, @thetprojectsg, I feel like I can cope a bit more.

So thankful for queer affirming therapy.
52. Spent a year church hopping and feeling scared that the friendly people who talked to the new person in church, aka me, welcoming her with open arms, would then fiercely deny their reality once they realised the truth.
53. Finally, Free Community Church was around and there, my first friend was an ally who was the most amazing person ever.

Her husband and her helped me feel so at home.

Christmas that year was lovely too. Didn’t have to feel so scared, on tenterhooks no more. 😌
54. Turns out, there’re are a bunch of people who used to be from my previous churches and also from Choices.

Surprise, surprise.

We live in a tiny country.
55. If queer folk are the minorities in the community, and queer christians are a smaller minority, then progressive queer christians are a minority of a minority of a minority.

Yay. 😀

Makes it so easy to date too. 😉

Anyways, I’ve thrown off manmade shackles so yay me.
56. Okay I need to pause for a while to charge my phone and to eat some Indomie as my midnight snack cos guess what, it’s a bit hard to get gay married and have a Christmas feast when we retain colonial laws.

🇬🇧🚫❔🗑🙏🏻👨‍👨‍👧👩‍👩‍👦👨‍❤️‍👨👩‍❤️‍👩✅
57. On this rainy day, as I sit here, overlooking a razed graveyard and the one beside it left behind, it seems like a nice time to finish this thread.

Fun fact: I didn’t realise it was so expensive to be dead here in Singapore. Thousands of dollars for a niche. Gosh.
58. ⚠️ Content warning: Mention of suicide

So I’m here once again for the annual pilgrimage to see my dead friend.

In the liminal space between Christmas and the New Year when she took her life, it must have been a difficult time indeed as she saw no future for herself.
59. ⚠️ Content warning: Mention of suicide

Many can say the church or Christianity killed her.

But I’d like to offer an alternative POV.

Perhaps society killed her. Queer people killed her. The country killed her.

But ultimately, she killed herself.
60. As I told a friend over lunch earlier today after service, the reason why True Love Is (TLI) might be so attractive is due to a gap in the market.

As I’ve mentioned above, if queer people expressed so vociferously how much internalised homophobia it takes to go to TLI...
61. And calling them such awful names.

I mean, even if I don’t agree with Raphael and co., doesn’t mean I need to silence them.

Yes I do agree that they are being silenced.

To each their own, why tone police? 🚨

And before you talk about harm being done...
62. I tell you, more harm is done when a queer kid is closeted in an evangelistic church with no one safe to talk to and walk alongside.

Double harm done if they are in a megachurch just cos the pastors don’t say much about how queer folk can live a thriving Christian life.
63. Sigh.

I suppose if my friend were still around she might say something like:

“I wish people in church weren’t so judgy.”

“I wish the queer community wouldn’t be so judgy.”

“I wish that I could be straight.”

I think that she was just a product of this country’s making.
64. “Why do I care so much about what people think?”

“Why do I want to adhere so much to church doctrine?”

“Why am I so scared of being alone?”

“Why is my life so depressing?”

“What of gay theology?”

Might be some useful questions a helpful therapist could have asked her.
65. Which brings me to my next point: That therapists by & large aren’t equipped to help queer folk.

@oogachaga & @thetprojectsg waitlists are long (go donate) & even if they have trained counsellors, Christian therapists / counsellors often direct people to Choices / FOTF.
66. Also, do note that Oogachaga & The T Project are more queer specific and not queer & Christian specific so there’s that.

There are questions that they cannot grapple with or begin to comprehend. Free Community Church’s got an in-house pastor/counsellor though. ☺️
67. Also, thought it might be fun to clarify the differences between Side A, Side B & Side X, and where TLI falls.

If, like Tim says, Side B is Side X lite, then I’d say that Side A is Side B lite & that makes Side A = Side X, which is not a good argument.

TLI is Side B. https://twitter.com/lambdawon/status/1342258857410768897
68. What this means is that they’ve evolved from denying being gay = bad (Side X), to accepting their gay identity but being chaste / accepting mixed orientation marriages (Side B).

Why this is controversial is a mystery to me. 🧐

Okay who am I even kidding. 😜
69. FCC is firmly Side A (gay = good, gay relationships are good, God is cool with it)

What seems to be tripping people up is that queer folk think TLI is Side X when they are Side B and the former are pushing queer Christians to Side A.

Are you beginning to see the light?
70. “Come out only when you are ready,” doesn’t seem to apply.

If this isn’t double standards, I don’t know what it is.

Anyway I’m sorry I keep ranting but this just needs to get out there.

Good thing I’m just hangin’ with the dead out here & they won’t & can’t judge me.
71. It’s so quiet here. Only the occasional vehicle rumbling past & the sound of grass cutters doing their rounds; the spirits do enjoy a mowed lawn (no actually my hypothesis is that it prevents this place from looking too much like a horror set, this is SG, we need 👌🏼 lawns).
72. Anyway, I’m exhausted from dredging up memories from the past, so I’ll just reply to some replies from this thread.

If anyone has got questions, I might take a shot at answering them too.
73. Thank you Timothy.

Listening to your stories on your experience in the Salvation Army has been sobering too.

It’s always a delight to hear from you and @stephenblong in that lovely unedited, @Patreon only podcast.

Hope 2021 will be a better year for us all. https://twitter.com/forward2000/status/1342143934148046849
74. Thanks Jin Yao.

Christmas this year was fortunately a lovely affair with my friends from FCC.

Hope you’re keeping warm in this wintery, ahem I mean, rainy weather. https://twitter.com/guanyinmiao/status/1342289524513116162
75. Thank you for your kind words Robin.

Here is the rest of the thread on this little bird app I keep flying back to. https://twitter.com/missbossy/status/1342326138803142656
76. Okay so to wrap up with a couple more tweets; homophobia is well and alive and unfortunately propagated in Christian schools.

And it’s concerning because there are so many of them and generations before and since will continue this tradition unless someone steps in. https://twitter.com/missrachelreads/status/1339304938195668992
77. I know so many from Christian schools who were very closeted or bullied when they were outed in school.

That’s unacceptable and very sad.

We all can do better.
78. Also, a friend asked me offline if I was Side B or Side X. Seeing that I might seem to be defending them, as shown below, it might be helpful to note that I can be described as Side A but really, I’ve transcended sides.

So, kopi > twitter. Ask me out. Nuances die here. https://twitter.com/lambdawon/status/1345723549475090434
79. So many speak from their assumptions & worse, ignorance.

My church is the most affirming one in this country & not the one my friend went to.

I often think about how if she embraced herself & made some friends, she’d not be in LCK today.

But ah well, I blame colonisation.
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