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Maajid Nawaz did say on Nov 11th that he would accept the result after the recounts are done and legal appeals settled. (That was today). By Jan 20th in any event, but the Electoral College vote has somehow since become insufficient evidence to call the presidential election!
A willingness to accept the result on Jan 20th may be the election 2020 issue on which James Delingpole outflanks Maajid Nawaz. (Though Delingpole appears ever more confident of Trump being inaugurated, so may not be considering the hypothesis of Presiden Biden at all)
As far as I know, this James Delingpole-Maajid Nawaz podcast chat on the US 2020 presidential election & how Trump woz robbed hasn't happened yet
So I feel really a bit torn now.
- this thread is about challenging the conspiracies, not amplifying them.
- but this Delingpole/Nawaz podcast would be quite a *special* occasion, would it not?
- this thread is about challenging the conspiracies, not amplifying them.
- but this Delingpole/Nawaz podcast would be quite a *special* occasion, would it not?
There are some pretend electors holding pretend meetings in some states. The Pennsylvania Republican Party says their procedural vote "was *in no way* an attempt to usurp or contest the will of the Pennsylvania voters", capturing some of the cross-pressures over this charade.
Yet Trump has no outstanding legal challenge in PA. His campaign put out a press statement on Nov 22nd saying the defeat would help them get quickly to the Supreme Court, but didn't file anything to a court about that.
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- the risk is "civilisational"
- US "chaos" is threatening the integrity of "Western democracy"
- the risk is "civilisational"
- US "chaos" is threatening the integrity of "Western democracy"
The Epoch Times, QAnon and Sidney Powell now appear to be part of an increasingly tightly aligned pro-Trump network, paving the way for the post-presidential years: a conspiracy of conspiracists, perhaps!
The Republicans have lost one member of Congress in Michigan - now Independent - over Trump damaging democracy, by going so far beyond the legitimate legal process to scrutinise results https://twitter.com/RepPaulMitchell/status/1338599898141356034?s=19
There were no "faithless electors" in any of the swing states.
"Faithless electors" (37 of them!) deadlocking the Electoral College was always a really dumb theory.
Its over! (Bar the shouting*)
(* Expect shouting) https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1338612169622032398?s=19
(* Expect shouting) https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1338612169622032398?s=19
The Attorney-General William Barr is resigning on December 23rd. He said the Dept of Justice has found no substance to allegations of electoral fraud, angering the President.
Barr updated the President today on the review of voter fraud allegations. His resignation letter is very warm to Trump about his 2016 victory and his record in office, while mentioning the importance of now bringing the country together.
Wow! Maajid Nawaz has responded to President elect Joe Biden securing > 300 Electoral College votes (270 to win) with news from his parallel alternative reality, claiming we are "back in 1876" with a *deadlocked* Electoral College. But none of the rest of us can smell the coffee!
Maajid Nawaz points out he has kept calling this election right - step by step - and yet still THEY can't see
The Nevada GOP is also on Planet Denial with its claim to have cast EC votes for Trump. A very different tone - "we won" - to the "provisional" approach in Pennsylvania, presented as a back-up to a legal challenge
Its now becoming clear that the Senate will not (of course) vote to chuck out the election result. The idea the House might was always crackers. https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1338657272495558657?s=19
There are now 15+ Republican Senators who have congratulated Biden and said the election is over. Biden needs 2 to be unwilling to overturn the result, so as not to rely only on the Democrat majority House, which he could rely on anyway. The 1876 claim is bonkers.
I have never personally seen such a clear example of confirmation bias & denial when events do not follow predictions. What happens by Jan 7th/Jan 20th once this is happening?
"Step by step"
Mitch McConnell says its over. So it is now. https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1338865565973147650?s=19
The outgoing President is also still in the parallel universe, promoting the January 6th Congressional showdown that could yet secure his second term!
Interested in predictions as to whether
- there will be at least one Republican Senator, so two houses must debate/vote (separately) to reject the objection
- or whether it will be only House of Representatives (in which case no speeches can be made, without a Senate nominee)
- there will be at least one Republican Senator, so two houses must debate/vote (separately) to reject the objection
- or whether it will be only House of Representatives (in which case no speeches can be made, without a Senate nominee)
A collective action issue for the Republicans. If all Senators agree, as a bloc, none will endorse the objection, avoids every Republican House and Senate member having to individually take a public position with their vote (which splits party base + US public)
Senate Republicans want to avoid putting the Electoral College result to a vote. (They need to be unanimous in not objecting to avoid each having to cast a personal vote on whether to uphold the result or to offer futile personal support to Trump's feverish conspiracy)
This is playing out as I said it would, step by step https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1338866076369612804?s=09
Some of those who bet on Trump winning after the election want to sue Betfair for settling the market based on Electoral College vote. Many still believe that Trump will be inaugurated for a second term on Jan 20th. https://www.thedailybeast.com/gamblers-bet-big-on-trump-and-now-they-now-claim-fraud
As of Dec 9th/10th one in three voters in America think Trump will win, one in five said its "very likely". (This doesn't show if the EC vote and responses have made any difference). So this parallel universe has a significant US audience for those prepared to live in/indulge it
Rasmussen data on perceptions of post-election claims & predictions re outcome https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/36_still_think_a_trump_win_likely_through_court_challenges
Those of you who think that the US Election is already done & dusted for president-elect Biden might need to consider that Maajid Nawaz anticipates a game-changing move on Friday in the bid to re-elect Donald Trump.
Critics and nay-sayers will point out that an Executive Order about foreign interference can hardly overturn an election in favour of the man who lost it. But, my friends, do we not already live in unprecedented times? https://twitter.com/Bickerrecord/status/1339329261770043392?s=19
Sidney Powell and most of the key QAnon boosters see this as the breakthrough. The evidence is in the court filings [which were all dismissed by every court she tried, but lets not split hairs here, people]
https://twitter.com/CardinalConserv/status/1338360998684549121?s=19
https://twitter.com/CardinalConserv/status/1338360998684549121?s=19
Maajid Nawaz is making more delusional claims about January 6th joint session offering Donald Trump a route to retain power. (The key mistake may arise from Nawaz tweeting about the 12th amendment while misunderstanding how it works).
12th amendment could come into play only *after* state Electoral College votes rejected by both a Senate majority (inc Mitt Romney etc) and House majority (where Democrats have a majority). This is like saying Tory Commons *could* have chosen Corbyn, not Boris, after the election
Many QAnon Tweeters seem to think the House & Senate would vote as states during a vote on disputed EC slates. Route to a GOP majority (if all backed Trump). That is simply a basic misunderstanding of the process. So this falls apart https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1339229588937969664?s=19
The President wants state results flipped to him on the basis of "evidence" rejected by the state and federal courts as lacking merit or substance. Anybody who said "let the courts decide" with integrity would now say "but the courts decided" https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1339280934458306561?s=19
This is misinformation, being widely circulated by QAnon advocates, which is being used to generate false hope among Trump supporters that he could have a chance in Congress on Jan 6th, despite the House majority. (GOP Senators also accept the Electoral College outcome).
Mr Nawaz also envisages an intelligence report on Russian/Chinese foreign interference could become another way to flip the Democratic House by January 6th, and to bring the GOP Senators, from Romney to McConnell, back onside in this bid to "re-elect" President Trump.
The other big QAnon claim is that counting pattern was mathematically impossible.
Bonkers "analysis" depends on false premises of
- no geographic or demographic patterns in voting in different areas
- that order in which votes were counted was random (not in person then mail)
Bonkers "analysis" depends on false premises of
- no geographic or demographic patterns in voting in different areas
- that order in which votes were counted was random (not in person then mail)
If votes in each state were counted entirely randomly, improbable for one candidate to lead & then fall behind
(This would need some kind of explanation, like rural v city areas voting differently, or parties having encouraged/discouraged in-person or postal votes differently!)
(This would need some kind of explanation, like rural v city areas voting differently, or parties having encouraged/discouraged in-person or postal votes differently!)
