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Here's the full Millwall bit:
Gemma: "my husband was actually there... he joined in the booing. he has since been labelled as a racist... in the wake of organisations like BLM and other advocacy groups pushing what's best for their people, i just want to ask, should
Gemma: "my husband was actually there... he joined in the booing. he has since been labelled as a racist... in the wake of organisations like BLM and other advocacy groups pushing what's best for their people, i just want to ask, should
...white people also start playing identity politics now before they become a minority themselves by 2066"
Starmer: "gemma, I don't think it was right to boo, there's no getting away from it, i really don't think it was the right thing to do..."
Gemma: "but do you agree with
Starmer: "gemma, I don't think it was right to boo, there's no getting away from it, i really don't think it was the right thing to do..."
Gemma: "but do you agree with
freedom of expression, should people have the right to do that?"
Starmer: "of course I agree with freedom of expression, but that is also the freedom for me to say it's the wrong thing to do... Gemma I'm really struck actually that most, I think pretty well all clubs, all fans
Starmer: "of course I agree with freedom of expression, but that is also the freedom for me to say it's the wrong thing to do... Gemma I'm really struck actually that most, I think pretty well all clubs, all fans
across the piece are applauding the taking of the knee, certainly all the clubs that i've seen are applauding that, I think Millwall was an outlier in that respect. I think it was wrong, but i think it also... you know, what this represents is a recognition of injustice that has
gone on for many many years in relation to racial inequality, and it's come to a head this year as everybody knows. And we just need to hold onto that bc I think actually most people feel that where there's an injustice it needs to be put right, and that's what is signalled by
taking the knee, and the players and the referees very often take the knee and I think that's what it's symbolic of."
Ferrari: "how does it help the cause? Even Les Ferdinand... very successful footballer, happens to be a black fellow himself, he's now the first black man to be
Ferrari: "how does it help the cause? Even Les Ferdinand... very successful footballer, happens to be a black fellow himself, he's now the first black man to be
a director of football, he's with the championship club QPR, and he says it is hollow, it's like a fancy hashtag or a lapel. it is achieving nothing".
Starmer: "I don't think that's right, I think the counter argument is...
Ferrari: "well he's a black man who played football for
Starmer: "I don't think that's right, I think the counter argument is...
Ferrari: "well he's a black man who played football for
England, he's in a position of knowledge isn't he?"
Starmer: "so he is, of course, and I respect his view, of course, it doesn't mean I agree with it. I think that what's happened over many years, this is the counter argument, and it's quite a powerful one, it's that there is
Starmer: "so he is, of course, and I respect his view, of course, it doesn't mean I agree with it. I think that what's happened over many years, this is the counter argument, and it's quite a powerful one, it's that there is
racial inequality and there is injustice, and from time to time it becomes an issue, it's looked at for a few weeks, and then it goes away, and this is an attempt to keep the focus on it until things really change".
Ferrari: "hasn't it now just focused on taking the knee, and
Ferrari: "hasn't it now just focused on taking the knee, and
the important issue of getting black managers, black directors of football, black chairmen or chairwomen of football clubs. I mean that's been lost because we just take the knee"
Starmer: "no, I don't think it's one or the other, I think you can do both, and I think it's one way
Starmer: "no, I don't think it's one or the other, I think you can do both, and I think it's one way
of drawing attention to it, but you know, in the end it's for each individual to decide how they want to tackle injustice..."
Starmer: "Gemma why did your husband choose to boo?"
Gemma: "because if anything the racial inequality is now against the indigenous people of Britain because we are set to become a minority by 2066 and taking the knee, bringing the political sphere into the football arena,
Gemma: "because if anything the racial inequality is now against the indigenous people of Britain because we are set to become a minority by 2066 and taking the knee, bringing the political sphere into the football arena,
and we just have to look across to the middle east. Israel has a state law that they are the only people in that country to have self determination, well why can't I as a white British female have that same right?"
Starmer: "Gemma, we all have those rights, this is about
Starmer: "Gemma, we all have those rights, this is about
recognising some injustices that have gone on for a very long time, and I think people were genuinely moved this year and what to make sure that that injustice is dealt with, and people will look at it in different ways but will look at it in different ways but i think the vast
majority of people do want a more equal society"
[end of bit] https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/call-keir/labour-leader-takes-your-calls-on-lbc-mon-dec-14/
[end of bit] https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/call-keir/labour-leader-takes-your-calls-on-lbc-mon-dec-14/
Apologies, the Starmer here was actually Ferrari https://twitter.com/simonk_133/status/1338430525422383104
