This is an important conversation, since she's absolutely right to want to bring more people into veganism and to think about how that best happens.

But does it rub anyone else the wrong way to talk about "selling" an ethical stance? What do you have to give up to be palatable? https://twitter.com/soypreme/status/1338156532438065155

Being calm and considerate at first? Absolutely.

But if they reject the fundamental premise that non-human animals have value in and of themselves, it feels wrong to not challenge that aggressively, no?

Couldn't the opposite just as easily be true: the gentler approach makes people more comfortable in their carnism? The militant vegan is broadly hated and derided and the vegan friend who doesn't bug you about your choices is universally adored.

Since just bringing veganism up is seen as militant by a huge majority of the non-vegan population, I'm left wondering what the gentler approach would look like that doesn't allow, or even encourage, continued avoidance.

Seems to me that being gentle with them will just encourage more of the "good kind of vegan" mentality, especially among those who are hostile to veganism at first blush.

My twitter presence surely speaks for my own approach online, but online conversations about veganism generally start at an 11 on the hostility level. In person, it's much easier to be calmer, but the reactions from carnists can be just as aggressive/hostile/dismissive.