Time for the Monday VAR thread. This week focusing on:

- Ball out of play for the Man United goal
- Possible Leeds penalty / Man City
- Matheus Pereira red card

Not too long this week.

Starting with Man United's goal at West Ham.

There's no way the VAR could disallow this goal.

It's impossible for the VAR to say with certainly the ball has gone out from these angles.

The VAR didn't "guess" it stayed in, but would have been "guessing" to say it was out.

Most people would say the ball probably did go out, but there was no definitive evidence and if the VAR had disallowed it there would have been more understandable uproar.

But this does present us with a lovely case study of technology and television broadcasters.

Let's remember that in 486 Premier League games with VAR, this is the only one where the ball may have gone out in such a manner.

Even if you had a camera down the line, the height on the ball may well mean it disappeared off the top of the screen.

Offside technology is calibrated horizontally up and down the pitch, so it wasn't possible to apply it here.

The linesman has been caught out looking at the offside line.

Unfortunately, there was no way for the VAR to get involved without "guessing".

Which brings us to Match of the Day's visualisation of the ball going out of play.

When you get this, it obviously leads to tweets like this asking why VAR doesn't have the technology.

It took MOTD one hour to create this visualisation. One hour.

Yet of course viewers will imagine it happened at the press of a button without the "drawing of lines on MS Paint".

Why doesn't VAR have this technology? Because it's not available to produce a result quickly.

It's great, and it suggests the ball did go out of play. It's also a lovely bit of confirmation bias. No one questions it when the broadcaster does it. It's fact.

Just as when TV companies drew offside lines. No one questioned frame rate, point of contact or anything else.

Which ties in with VAR offside tech.

Many leagues that didn't use it, making decisions with naked eye based on clear and obvious, have now switched to Hawk-eye.

The reason for this? TV broadcasters would put lines on and show decisions to be both incorrect AND inconsistent.

I've got sympathy with Leeds on the Ian Poveda incident against Chelsea. And they won't agree with these tweets.

The only similarity to Danny Welbeck was the nature of the contact, rather than the outcome.

Poveda remained in possession of the ball, and the attack continued.

It's fine sharing freeze frames of the point of contact in each incident, but what followed wasn't the same.

Welbeck "played VAR" by going down from the contact when he knew he didn't have the ball, while unfortunately Poveda continued in possession with the attack.

Thing is, when the VAR gives a penalty like Welbeck - which I don't think should be a pen - there's an expectation.

Especially when the VAR for Brighton v Liverpool was Kevin Friend, and also the referee for Chelsea v Leeds.

For me, neither are penalties.

And neither was Raheem Sterling against Fulham.

I feel uncomfortable that such a penalty is allowed to stand yet there were overturns for Villa and WBA because the VAR considered a feather touch on the ball, inconsequential to the challenge, enough to cancel it.

The Sterling, Welbeck and Poveda incidents really do show why players now feel that if you don't go to ground you aren't likely to get a penalty.

There's more contact on Poveda, but Sterling goes down and has got the decision on-field so he gets the pen and Poveda doesn't.

But we did get a brilliant VAR decision at Liverpool, with the penalty cancelled after Sadio Mane's challenge on Conor Coady.

Craig Pawson had the option to book Coady for diving, but he just anticipates a challenge that Mane pulled out of and doesn't even appeal for a penalty.

Finally Pereira. Anyone working connected to pro refereeing will tell you this had to be a red.

I just don't see the same force of the two key incidents last season: Son (VAR red), Maguire (missed VAR red).

I don't think anyone would have noticed if there wasn't a review.