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Jesus is clearly depicted in The Gospels (and also John's Revelation ha ha) as "beyond asexual."
But wait, who's obsessing over Jesus having any definable sexuality? Someone cited in the Etsy listing is "Paul Oestreicher, Anglican priest in the UK." 1/2 https://twitter.com/HillcrestCardCo/status/1333147952228036608
But wait, who's obsessing over Jesus having any definable sexuality? Someone cited in the Etsy listing is "Paul Oestreicher, Anglican priest in the UK." 1/2 https://twitter.com/HillcrestCardCo/status/1333147952228036608
Here's an article from Oestreicher in 2012. What does he say?
"Heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual: Jesus could have been any of these. There can be no certainty which." Okay.
"The homosexual option simply seems the most likely." Uhh, let's find out why. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/apr/20/was-jesus-gay-probably
"Heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual: Jesus could have been any of these. There can be no certainty which." Okay.
"The homosexual option simply seems the most likely." Uhh, let's find out why. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/apr/20/was-jesus-gay-probably
"Had he been devoid of sexuality, he would not have been truly human. To believe that would be heretical." Uhh, I don't know, Oestreicher. This seems very 2012 of you, and not very ~0 A.D. of you.
Asexuality is just as recognized as homosexuality, now. But why does it matter?
Asexuality is just as recognized as homosexuality, now. But why does it matter?
Of course, there's a bunch of shit in that article about The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved. AFAIK, that's always written with "agape" -- and AFAIK, there's no better Greek word for describing Jesus' unconditional love.
But it's not, say, "eros." So what did Jesus do that was GAAAY?
But it's not, say, "eros." So what did Jesus do that was GAAAY?
That Jesus loved "The Discipline Whom Jesus Loved" is fucking true
But this "Hmm, ah, aha, maybe Jesus was gay, which would make it okay that some Christians are gay?" bullshit always totally fucking misses what's maybe the biggest fucking point of The Gospels:
We aren't Jesus.
But this "Hmm, ah, aha, maybe Jesus was gay, which would make it okay that some Christians are gay?" bullshit always totally fucking misses what's maybe the biggest fucking point of The Gospels:
We aren't Jesus.
If you're The Logos incarnate, feel free to prove me wrong (if you care to -- Jesus didn't seem to work too hard to prove that to unbelievers).
But if you're not, then you're stuck where I am: you've got to fucking read the texts.
The texts about us being slaves to the flesh.
But if you're not, then you're stuck where I am: you've got to fucking read the texts.
The texts about us being slaves to the flesh.
There's more shit in The New Testament that's about "sigh, MARRY and FUCK if you HAVE TO" than there is about "anyone's sexual ORIENTATION and what to do about that."
Oh, there's stuff about sex in general. Notably that it's a useless distraction. Hence the lauding of virginity.
Oh, there's stuff about sex in general. Notably that it's a useless distraction. Hence the lauding of virginity.
We're stuck in a world where so many people have polar views on sex and intimacy.
As though sex with zero ape-brained intimacy (and ATTACHMENT) is possible when you fuck another ape, or as though sex is a path to some kind of special intimacy that can redeem one's awful life.
As though sex with zero ape-brained intimacy (and ATTACHMENT) is possible when you fuck another ape, or as though sex is a path to some kind of special intimacy that can redeem one's awful life.
Such polar views are very, very stupid -- *and COMPLETELY UNRELATED to utter-and-total focus on The Kingdom Of Heaven.*
Unrelenting abstinence is not for everyone (see Matthew 19, where Jesus talks about ASEXUALS).
Personally, I'll probably have sex again some day. So what?
Unrelenting abstinence is not for everyone (see Matthew 19, where Jesus talks about ASEXUALS).
Personally, I'll probably have sex again some day. So what?
If you're worried about sexsexsex, and you're keeping your heart and soul and mind on the ground, *and you think that you have to do these things,* then you've entirely fucking missed the point of "Jesus as a man-form," plus the numerous epistles that roll their eyes at marriage.
To the extent that we may look to Jesus *as a human being to be imitated* in The New Testament, there's many arrows pointing to *complete emancipation from sexual politics,* as well as worldly politics in general.
D... Do you need Jesus to be gay in order to love your neighbor?
D... Do you need Jesus to be gay in order to love your neighbor?
It's true that if we had confirmation that "Jesus in fully human man-form" was gay, a lot of Christians who think "LGBTQ are suckers for identity politics, and furthermore they give me the creeps" would have to STFU.
Or what about if Jesus had very hairy balls, like me?
Or what about if Jesus had very hairy balls, like me?
I'm talking about very, very hairy balls. Extremely hirsute meaty clackers. People make fun of me for my furry clackers all the time. It's not fair.
But if Jesus were confirmed to have furry clackers, people would have to stop making fun of me, cuz Jesus was all about the body.
But if Jesus were confirmed to have furry clackers, people would have to stop making fun of me, cuz Jesus was all about the body.
Or what about if Jesus were 5'9"? That would be so funny, because Elliot Rodger was 5'9". Maybe Elliot Rodger wouldn't have gone on an evil flesh-fueled flesh-grinder if he'd been the same height as Jesus.
What if we had explicit passages about the apostles having an orgy?
What if we had explicit passages about the apostles having an orgy?
What exciting and fun speculation. There's no end to it. And if you make up enough shit about Jesus, even "could be" possibilities, then Jesus can be just about anything and everything.
But it's not like "Ha ha Jesus coulda been gay" is capable of taming the cruelty of the world
But it's not like "Ha ha Jesus coulda been gay" is capable of taming the cruelty of the world
And "Jesus could have been gay" doesn't even get us any farther than "Ha ha every man has the right to get married -- TO A WOMAN!" sort of logic.
Even that Oestreicher talks about "Jesus possibly being gay, but CHOOSING to refrain from actual sexual activity."
Useless article.
Even that Oestreicher talks about "Jesus possibly being gay, but CHOOSING to refrain from actual sexual activity."
Useless article.
If you care about sex and sexual politics (besides maybe "CUT THE ADULTERESS A FUCKING BREAK"), you aren't Jesus.
So why worry about Jesus' sexuality? If you're worrying about fucking and sexual identity, you're only straying further from imitating Jesus.
Which is probably okay
So why worry about Jesus' sexuality? If you're worrying about fucking and sexual identity, you're only straying further from imitating Jesus.
Which is probably okay
Being Jesus is not possible. Even being John The Baptist, or one of the apostles, is presumably not exactly fucking possible.
Trying to imitate any canonical "characters" of The New Testament, or imitate any saint, is aspirational at best.
You've got to work within your limits.
Trying to imitate any canonical "characters" of The New Testament, or imitate any saint, is aspirational at best.
You've got to work within your limits.
It is absolutely fucking clear in The New Testament that every human is different. Sometimes that involves rejecting Jesus Christ, but sometimes it's as simple as "not all of the apostles are the same" or "Mary Magdalene was based, even though she wasn't technically an apostle."
Personally, nothing would piss me off more than if I were The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved,
and people spent time focusing on some kind of mundane love and sexual attraction,
rather than the kind of pure "agape" to which mundane love and sexual attraction are usually a *barrier.*
and people spent time focusing on some kind of mundane love and sexual attraction,
rather than the kind of pure "agape" to which mundane love and sexual attraction are usually a *barrier.*
And if you wanted to really piss off Christians, you'd remind them that Jesus can love anybody.
You'd make a postcard saying "Jesus loves gay people,"
and remind people that the love is "agape" and Jesus was/is capable of more perfect agape than anyone.
And keep the rainbows.
You'd make a postcard saying "Jesus loves gay people,"
and remind people that the love is "agape" and Jesus was/is capable of more perfect agape than anyone.
And keep the rainbows.
