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1/n #SadarPranam to Ishvara within you @ShashiTharoor ji.
I have compiled my opinion in this thread "on your conversation with @ShekharGupta ji," wherein I have large disagreements specially on subject of Hindutva.
I'll love to hear back from you as you have done in past too. https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/1326950872270532608
I have compiled my opinion in this thread "on your conversation with @ShekharGupta ji," wherein I have large disagreements specially on subject of Hindutva.
I'll love to hear back from you as you have done in past too. https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/1326950872270532608
2/n Interestingly @ShashiTharoor ji, u yet again make a claim that, Hinduism is inclusive "Religion" while Hindutva is exclusive "doctrine".
Almost 5 months back I had clarified it for u that how Hindu+Ism is an "Oxymoron"&Hindu+tva more apt,but it seems I need to refresh again.
Almost 5 months back I had clarified it for u that how Hindu+Ism is an "Oxymoron"&Hindu+tva more apt,but it seems I need to refresh again.
3/n Let us again begin with word "Hindu" itself to which -ism & -tva get added.
Hindu is derived from the Sanskrit word Sindhu, which means "a large body of water", covering "river, ocean".It was used as the name of the Indus river and also referred to its tributaries.
Hindu is derived from the Sanskrit word Sindhu, which means "a large body of water", covering "river, ocean".It was used as the name of the Indus river and also referred to its tributaries.
4/n The actual term 'hindu' first occurs as "a Persian geographical term for the people who lived beyond the river Indus (Sanskrit: Sindhu)",more specifically in the 6th-century BC inscription of Darius I.
Ref: Introduction to Hinduism by Gavin Flood,P 6.
Ref: Introduction to Hinduism by Gavin Flood,P 6.
5/n he 6th-century BCE inscription of Darius I mentions the province of Hi[n]dush, referring to northwestern India. The people of India were referred to as HinduvÄn (Hindus) and hindavÄ« was used as the adjective for Indian in the 8th century text Chachnama.
![5/n he 6th-century BCE inscription of Darius I mentions the province of Hi[n]dush, referring to northwestern India. The people of India were referred to as HinduvÄn (Hindus) and hindavÄ« was used as the adjective for Indian in the 8th century text Chachnama.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em-RiqWVQAAHPEb.jpg "5/n he 6th-century BCE inscription of Darius I mentions the province of Hi[n]dush, referring to northwestern India. The people of India were referred to as HinduvÄn (Hindus) and hindavÄ« was used as the adjective for Indian in the 8th century text Chachnama.")
6/n Ref: On Hindu, HindustÄn, Hinduism and Hindutva by Arvind Sharma & Numen, Vol. 49, No. 1 (2002), pp. 2-5
The term 'Hindu' in these ancient records is an ethno-geographical term & didnât refer to a religion. There many such references.
Hence, HINDU~INDIAN (check snippets).
The term 'Hindu' in these ancient records is an ethno-geographical term & didnât refer to a religion. There many such references.
Hence, HINDU~INDIAN (check snippets).
7/n Now letâs know suffix -ism a bit. Why was it used or when it became popular?
The first recorded usage of the suffix ism as a separate word in its own right was in 1680. By the 19th century it was being used by Thomas Carlyle to signify a pre-packaged ideology.
The first recorded usage of the suffix ism as a separate word in its own right was in 1680. By the 19th century it was being used by Thomas Carlyle to signify a pre-packaged ideology.
8/n In the USA of the mid 19th century, the phrase "the isms" was used as a collective derogatory term to lump together the radical social reform movements of the day (such as slavery abolitionism, feminism, alcohol prohibitionism, Fourierism, pacifism, early socialism, etc).
9/n It was also added for various spiritual or religious movements considered non-mainstream by the standards of the time (such as Transcendentalism, spiritualism or "spirit rapping", Mormonism, the Oneida movement often accused of "free love", etc.)
10/n @ShashiTharoor sir, I'm sure that u must be aware that all the -isms were about unilateral philosophy or idea. But isnât Hindu practice all about plurality?
As I explained from 7/n-9/n, do you believe that âHinduâ idea is non-mainstream or just a radical social reform?
As I explained from 7/n-9/n, do you believe that âHinduâ idea is non-mainstream or just a radical social reform?
11/n Let me make it even simpler using my forte. Take example of 3 very common -isms. I have attached respective images as well.
1)Surrealism
2)Expressionism
3)Cubism
Can you notice, that they come with so distinct appearance. itâs because of the unique philosophy embedded.
1)Surrealism
2)Expressionism
3)Cubism
Can you notice, that they come with so distinct appearance. itâs because of the unique philosophy embedded.
12/n And thatâs where the problem comes when you add â-ismâ to âHinduâ. You canât limit it to singular idea hence in reality âHinduismâ is an oxymoron. Like we canât ever say âArchitecturismâ though âDeconstructivismâ is a type of architecture.
13/n Likewise you can have âShaivismâ, âVaishnavismâ but not âHinduismâ. But we accepted this oxymoron with time as it became popular. Brits never understood the pluralistic Hindu idea & ended up adding -ism as they thought it on par of ârigidâ Abrahmic ideas.
14/n @ShashiTharoor sir did you ever wonder why âIslamâ isnât âIslamismâ or âChristianityâ not âChristianismâ? But why do we have âJudaismâ or âHinduismâ?
You know, -ism was always added to practice which seemed inferior or not-mainstream.
You know, -ism was always added to practice which seemed inferior or not-mainstream.
15/n If one understands -ism & believes in plurality of âHindusâ then Hinduism can never be âHindu Dharmaâ rather SanÄtana dharma. Hope you get it @ShashiTharoor
sir.
Now let me even elaborate a bit on SanÄtana dharma. As "Hinduism" is "Oxymoron".
sir.
Now let me even elaborate a bit on SanÄtana dharma. As "Hinduism" is "Oxymoron".
16/n For that we first need to understand what is SanÄtana dharma. It means eternal order. Like âflow of waterâ. Itâs nature of water to flow & every such order is SanÄtana.
We mustnât confuse âdharmaâ withâreligion" as u often do @ShashiTharoor , or at least show to be.
We mustnât confuse âdharmaâ withâreligion" as u often do @ShashiTharoor , or at least show to be.
17/n Religion is "institution" while Dharma is the "way to strive to be right".
Dharma tells to reject institution which shows wrong path.
Dharma signifies behaviors that are considered to be in accord with áčta, the order that makes life and universe possible.
Dharma tells to reject institution which shows wrong path.
Dharma signifies behaviors that are considered to be in accord with áčta, the order that makes life and universe possible.
18/n It includes duties, rights,laws, conduct, virtues and âright way of livingâ. Eg, âRajadharmaâ
means Kingâs Duty not Religion.
For Bhartiya understanding, Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity are various Panth which means denominations.
Most fail to get it.
means Kingâs Duty not Religion.
For Bhartiya understanding, Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity are various Panth which means denominations.
Most fail to get it.
19/n @ShashiTharoor sir,let me summarise what I have said so far in response to ur first point (snippet)
1)âHinduâis an ethno-geographic connotation & not religious at all.
2)Hinduism is an oxymoron though we use it for popularity.Often addition of-ism degrades the great âvaluesâ
1)âHinduâis an ethno-geographic connotation & not religious at all.
2)Hinduism is an oxymoron though we use it for popularity.Often addition of-ism degrades the great âvaluesâ
20/n You have been critical of #Hindutva a big time. Let me throw some light on it.
Hindutva is formed by adding -tva suffix (Pratyay) to Hindu. Now, what do you understand by -tva? In plain language adding -tva (ness) to a noun means :in state of being that noun. Eg. Naritva.
Hindutva is formed by adding -tva suffix (Pratyay) to Hindu. Now, what do you understand by -tva? In plain language adding -tva (ness) to a noun means :in state of being that noun. Eg. Naritva.
21/n The attached image will give better clarity of what -tva means.
So @ShashiTharoor sir, can you please explain how the âstate of being âHindu(Indian)âbe wrong at all.
Who are we to interpret âHinduâper comfort if Darius-I,the first one to use word had defined it other way.
So @ShashiTharoor sir, can you please explain how the âstate of being âHindu(Indian)âbe wrong at all.
Who are we to interpret âHinduâper comfort if Darius-I,the first one to use word had defined it other way.
22/n So is it that someday in quest to interpret per comfort you will âassign any meaning to any wordâ? Then whatâs the rationale of âconventionsâ & âdictionaryâ if words are to be interpreted per choice?
Thatâs not fair sir.
Thatâs not fair sir.
23/n That was the period when Islam was spreading on the power of âswordâ & âqital fi sabilillahâ was common. The Parsis had to take refuge in Hindu Rashtra âBharataâ. They were persecuted the worst as Islam was set to conquer Persia.
Thatâs âHindutvaâ ie âstate of being Hinduâ.
Thatâs âHindutvaâ ie âstate of being Hinduâ.
24/n References for 23/n
1) https://iranicaonline.org/articles/parsi-communities-i-early-history
2 &3) Studies in Parsi history by Hodivala, Shahpurshah Hormasji, p 1-11
4) Historia Religionum, Volume 2 Religions of the Present
by G. Widengren P212
1) https://iranicaonline.org/articles/parsi-communities-i-early-history
2 &3) Studies in Parsi history by Hodivala, Shahpurshah Hormasji, p 1-11
4) Historia Religionum, Volume 2 Religions of the Present
by G. Widengren P212
25/n @ShashiTharoor sir you might have read this book which Iâm quoting.
The persecution was falling like brick bats on the Parsis.
âZoroastrians: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices
By Mary Boyce P 147-50â
You may read this book in more detail should you wish to understand.
The persecution was falling like brick bats on the Parsis.
âZoroastrians: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices
By Mary Boyce P 147-50â
You may read this book in more detail should you wish to understand.
26/n I must add as far as term Hinduism is concerned,â-ismâ was first time added to âHinduâ around 1830.
(Snippet1)
As per historical record âHindutvaâ was coined in 1892 by Chandranath Basu.
(Snippet-2)
(Snippet1)
As per historical record âHindutvaâ was coined in 1892 by Chandranath Basu.
(Snippet-2)
27/n Both terms are relatively close in terms of time period though former is "Oxymoron" while latter "apt".
Truth is that "Hindutva" ie "State of being Hindu" is just like water which is to be taken warm in winters while chilled ones in Summer. Hindutva shall change with time.
Truth is that "Hindutva" ie "State of being Hindu" is just like water which is to be taken warm in winters while chilled ones in Summer. Hindutva shall change with time.
28/n Then @ShashiTharoor you defend @RahulGandhi 's visit to temples. But I'm sorry your defense was really weak.
Had Rahul really cared for being Hindu, his stand would have been clear about Ram Mandir. & I wish to understand who gave Rahul idea of wearing "Janeu" over coat?
Had Rahul really cared for being Hindu, his stand would have been clear about Ram Mandir. & I wish to understand who gave Rahul idea of wearing "Janeu" over coat?
29/n While @RahulGandhi visited Shringeri Mutt, he spoke of Tipu's generosity to the Mutt, but anyone who knows History would be aware about this hoax.
I have exposed Tipu Sultan's donation hoax in this thread.
& who can forget what Tipu did on Diwali? https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1092781065125560321?s=20
I have exposed Tipu Sultan's donation hoax in this thread.
& who can forget what Tipu did on Diwali? https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1092781065125560321?s=20
30/n Tipu had brought darkness in lives of Iyengar Brahmins by slaughtering them three centuries back on Diwali eve.
More clarity on how the "myth of Freedom Fighter Tipu " created can be read here @ShashiTharoor https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1211492966734254082?s=20
More clarity on how the "myth of Freedom Fighter Tipu " created can be read here @ShashiTharoor https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1211492966734254082?s=20
31/n Mr @ShashiTharoor next you say that #CAA linking with #NRC , @HMOIndia has brought victory to Jinnah's idea of Subcontinent.
Do you yourself think that this is "True"?
The draft of #NRC was not even ready so on what basis you make such tall polarizing claims?
Do you yourself think that this is "True"?
The draft of #NRC was not even ready so on what basis you make such tall polarizing claims?
32/n As far as #CAA is concerned, it is constitutional.
But before someone declares something Unconstitutional one needs to put a thought about Article-13 before Article-14.
I have explained "constitutionality" of CAA in this thread https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1211934145384865794?s=20
But before someone declares something Unconstitutional one needs to put a thought about Article-13 before Article-14.
I have explained "constitutionality" of CAA in this thread https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1211934145384865794?s=20
33/n #CAA , @ShashiTharoor is an extension of Citizenship & does not takes away Citizenship of any. The provision was clearly made for the persecuted minorities of ABP who can't be taken in any other country.
So where does the issue lie? Even Gandhi Ji agreed to similar idea.
So where does the issue lie? Even Gandhi Ji agreed to similar idea.
34/n Jinnah's idea of subcontinent was all about atrocities on non-Muslims with establishment of Islamic State.
Direct Action Day was Jinnah's idea, wherein he organised pogrom of Hindus. #CAA would ensure to avoid such happenings in ABP which are still common.
Direct Action Day was Jinnah's idea, wherein he organised pogrom of Hindus. #CAA would ensure to avoid such happenings in ABP which are still common.
35/n Jinnah wanted Islamic state and he had given early warnings of pogrom against Hindus. He achieved both.
What exactly Jinnah Transpired has been documented in this thread https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1314872396763947008?s=20
What exactly Jinnah Transpired has been documented in this thread https://twitter.com/Aabhas24/status/1314872396763947008?s=20
36/n @ShashiTharoor , your Thali analogy was completely out of place.
@RSSorg idea of calling everyone "Hindu" means to be in thali/plate called Hindu, while each one being in different bowls.
"Hindu"is the base while bowls are like different traditions of regions etc.
@RSSorg idea of calling everyone "Hindu" means to be in thali/plate called Hindu, while each one being in different bowls.
"Hindu"is the base while bowls are like different traditions of regions etc.
37/n "Hindu" as per historic record is = Indian.
As explained earlier, actually "Hindu+Ism" is like making every dish flow into each other. -ism is for "Singularity" not "Plurality".
-tva is for "state of being" and "being Hindu" is about diversity and hence different bowls.
As explained earlier, actually "Hindu+Ism" is like making every dish flow into each other. -ism is for "Singularity" not "Plurality".
-tva is for "state of being" and "being Hindu" is about diversity and hence different bowls.
