Thread by @PrimeGlasnow, Kyler Murray vs Lamar Jackson: A Thread (RTs appreciated) The goal of [...]

Kyler Murray vs Lamar Jackson: A Thread (RTs appreciated)

The goal of this thread is to answer three questions: Who's been better by season (Insanely obvious but), Who's the better QB overall and which QB would I rather have for the future.

The thread is going to be separated into four categories:
Base stats
Advanced Stats
Team Help
Eye test & my opinion on each player

Let's get into it

Base stats (due to the QBs we are talking about rushing is included and because of the year extra all stats will be per game):

Left is Lamar's career passing, Right is lamar's career rushing

Now for Kyler's Base stats:
Again left is passing, right is rushing

Since that's a lot to read, here's the run down (2019-2020)
Passing:
CMP%: Kyler
Y/G: Kyler
Y/A: Lamar
TD%: Lamar
INT%: Lamar
Passer Rating: Lamar

Rushing:
A/G: Lamar
Y/G: Lamar
Y/A: Lamar
TDs: Kyler

In terms of base stats in the past two years The Winner is

Now for the fun part the advanced stats
We will use
EPA/Play (from rbsdm)
DVOA (both running and passing)
DYAR (both running and passing)
QBR (from ESPN)
PFF grade (not weighted super heavily)
ANY / A

Now for Lamar (rank in parenthesis):
2019:
EPA/Play: 0.293 (2)
Pass DVOA: 34.9% (2)
Pass DYAR: 1,261 (5)
Rush DVOA: 20.5% (8)
Rush DYAR: 273 (1)
QBR: 83.0 (1)
PFF: 91.1
ANY / A: 8.19

2020:
EPA / Play: 0.084 (26)
Pass DVOA: -7.7% (23)
Pass DYAR: 49 (23)
Rush DVOA: -8.3% (22)
Rush DYAR: 15 (15)
QBR: 65.1 (17)
PFF: 74.9
ANY / A: 6.20

The average between the two years (Average rank in parenthesis)
EPA/Play: 0.1885 (14)
Pass DVOA: 13.6% (12.5)
Pass DYAR: 655 (14)
Rush DVOA: 6.1% (15)
Rush DYAR: 144 (8)
QBR: 74.1 (9)
PFF: 83
ANY / A: 7.195

Kyler's
2019:
EPA/Play: 0.055 (24)
Pass DVOA: -3.1% (21)
Pass DYAR: 305 (21)
Rush DVOA: 8.5% (14)
Rush DYAR: 87 (3)
QBR: 57.7 (15)
PFF: 64.2
ANY / A: 5.55

2020:
EPA/Play: 0.252 (7)
Pass DVOA: 10.8% (12)
Pass DYAR: 407 (13)
Rush DVOA: 37.6% (4)
Rush DYAR: 183 (1)
QBR: 77.0 (11)
PFF: 81.4
ANY / A: 7.19

Averages!!!
EPA/Play: 0.1535 (15.5)
Pass DVOA: 3.85 (18)
Pass DYAR: 356 (17)
Rush DVOA: 23.05 (7.5)
Rush DYAR: 135 (2)
QBR: 67.35 (13)
PFF: 72.8
ANY / A: 6.37

Winners
EPA/Play: Lamar
Pass DVOA: Lamar
Pass DYAR: Lamar
Rush DVOA: Kyler
Rush DYAR: Lamar
QBR: Lamar
PFF: Lamar
ANY / A: Lamar

So statisticall the better passer is Lamar & the better runner is Kyler. Over the winner of the advanced stat portion is

Season by season (production)
2019: Lamar
2020: Kyler

Overall: Lamar

Now comes the eye test and this is where the disagreement will probably come.
The first thing I want to say is that even if they are both mobile QBs they are two different types IMO. Lamar reminds me a lot more of Michael Vick and Kyler of his division rival, Russell Wilson.

Between the two I believe Kyler is a much more fluid passer. He's just a more accurate QB. Lamar I do believe is better in the processing and decision making department, but neither are bad decision makers. They both have strong arms but I believe that Kyler is just more accurate

In terms of running, designed runs Lamar and scrambling Kyler. They eye test tells me that Kyler is slightly better.

For team help on offense
In 2020 Kyler has had more help. His OL has a better PBWR and RBWR. Per Football Outsiders his OL is ranked 10th and Lamar's is ranked 23rd. Weapons I don't have to even bring up analytics. Lamar's #1 WR is Hollywood Brown and Kyler's is Deandre Hopkins

enough said. In terms of defense Lamar's definitely has been better but Kyler has had more offensive help this year.
In 2019, yeah Lamar had more help and I don't think i have to bring the analytics into it. Anyone with eyes knew the 2019 Ravens were a fucking stacked team.

For the final conclusion. The answers to my questons
Overall: I have them close to each other but I ahve to go Lamar. Despite Kyler winning the eye test for me I cannot ignore the production gap. RN Lamar is a better overall QB. For the future my answer is the same it was at the

start of the season. For the next 5 years + I'm taking Kyler.

That's the end of my essay RTs appreciated

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