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Reposting this cus I made a mistake in prev tweet, it looks as though GB
NI movement of goods (NOT NIGB) will
- need to go through customs system (CHIEF, now CDS)
- need a movement reference number (MRN)
- treated as intl goods movement
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/930056/8120_CDS_Movement_Reference_Number__MRN__guide_v7_accessible.pdf
NI movement of goods (NOT NIGB) will- need to go through customs system (CHIEF, now CDS)
- need a movement reference number (MRN)
- treated as intl goods movement
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/930056/8120_CDS_Movement_Reference_Number__MRN__guide_v7_accessible.pdf
From Jan 2021, HMRC will run
- the old customs system, CHIEF
- UK
non-EU
in tandem with
- the new customs system, CDS
- GBNI
until they eventually replace CHIEF with CDS. So, in other words, NI is the guinea pig for the new system :)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/930055/7228_CDS_toolkit_v11_accessible.pdf
- the old customs system, CHIEF
- UK
non-EUin tandem with
- the new customs system, CDS
- GB
NIuntil they eventually replace CHIEF with CDS. So, in other words, NI is the guinea pig for the new system :)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/930055/7228_CDS_toolkit_v11_accessible.pdf
I mistakenly before wrote this would apply to GB NI but it "only" seems to be GBNI. Ty @___SKELETONS___ for pointing that out!
NI but it "only" seems to be GBNI. Ty @___SKELETONS___ for pointing that out!
There is a free support service you can sign up to by 23rd Nov for info on how to use this for GB/NI stuff: https://www.tradersupportservice.co.uk/tss
But it seems the Customs Declaration Service (CDS) - that we're guinea pigs for - has all 9 of its REST APIs still in beta!
https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/api-documentation/docs/api
But it seems the Customs Declaration Service (CDS) - that we're guinea pigs for - has all 9 of its REST APIs still in beta!
https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/api-documentation/docs/api
Don't worry though, they've a roadmap available with a pretty comprehensive list of what has been done so far on the transport technology side of things and is ready to test: https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/roadmaps/common-transit-convention-traders-roadmap/documentation/released.html
And a list of... upcoming things... they will... be starting... soon....
https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/roadmaps/common-transit-convention-traders-roadmap/documentation/developing-now.html
https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/roadmaps/common-transit-convention-traders-roadmap/documentation/developing-now.html
I, too, will be "due to be release" by the end of March 2021 at this rate.
But surely, if the systems weren't gonna be ready in time, we'd know, right? Good thing the National Audit Office put on this report on... Friday Nov 6th... when there was absolutely nothing else going on that week.
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-UK-border-preparedness-for-the-end-of-the-transition-period.pdf
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-UK-border-preparedness-for-the-end-of-the-transition-period.pdf
>34 minutes ago
See, am not mad! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54880484
See, am not mad! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54880484
This CDS stuff is wild - like I cannot overstate enough how much there is nothing in place for NI on Jan 1st. All I’m trying to do is figure out if I need a new EORI number for occasionally ordering new hardware and now I’ve gone down this mad customs rabbithole https://twitter.com/AnnaJerzewska/status/1325863745885790208
Also fwiw the Trader Support Service (TSS) doesn’t accept non-VAT reg EORIs. It straight up sees them as invalid. So small companies (like Etsy sellers??) that do anything to/from NI can’t sign up for TSS? I literally wouldn’t put it past Tories to forget to even consider that
It is abundantly clear that every single person involved in the brexit decision making process at this point has, quite literally, just not thought about half the shit involved 
https://twitter.com/AnnaJerzewska/status/1326227551694548997
https://twitter.com/AnnaJerzewska/status/1326227551694548997
i just wanna make video games 
Tl;dr if boris wants rid of us all he has to do is ask, rather than this weird famine-by-pseudo-trade-sanction-powered-by-blockchain thing
I know everyone has Brexit fatigue and cba, but govt just saying 'Get ready for brexit!' over & over again is useless, when it's actually really dry & bad stuff like 'Musicians will need a £350 carnet per instrument they take into the EU'
https://twitter.com/Howard_Goodall/status/1326554092907364352
https://twitter.com/Howard_Goodall/status/1326554092907364352
So yeah - it seems that to get any goods into NI next year (from GB or the rest of the world. maybe EU? But not ROI!) as a business, you’ll need that new XI EORI number just for NI - that you can only get if you’re a VAT-registered company. Nothing for small businesses. Cool!
An actual customs professional says they’ve asked about this and there’s no answer yet - it just straight up hasn’t been considered by the govt it seems lol
Also I’ve been checking all these “get ready for brexit” checklists on and off for months and this “needing a new XI EORI” for NI stuff seems to only recently have made it into general circulation? So many people are not gonna go back to double check it they need this or not?
We are not a massive haulage firm - I just wanna make sure we can get dev kits next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
This is SO boring and dense and fine-printy, how is anyone ever going to care about this, it will never make front page news 
hoping for a miracle late December
hoping for a miracle late December
And it seems that the only people talking about it are either super experienced logistics experts or completely insufferable lib FBPE accounts arghhh
> how is anyone ever going to care about [EORI numbers], it will never make front page news
> Four in 10 UK food firms to cut supplies to Northern Ireland as "only 33% had obtained [AN EORI] with an XI prefix"
*Monkey's paw curls*
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/03/four-in-10-uk-food-firms-to-cut-supplies-to-northern-ireland-poll-brexit
![> how is anyone ever going to care about [EORI numbers], it will never make front page news> Four in 10 UK food firms to cut supplies to Northern Ireland as "only 33% had obtained [AN EORI] with an XI prefix"*Monkey's paw curls* https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/03/four-in-10-uk-food-firms-to-cut-supplies-to-northern-ireland-poll-brexit](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoW7RIaXcAAGj_G.png "> how is anyone ever going to care about [EORI numbers], it will never make front page news> Four in 10 UK food firms to cut supplies to Northern Ireland as \"only 33% had obtained [AN EORI] with an XI prefix\"*Monkey's paw curls* https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/03/four-in-10-uk-food-firms-to-cut-supplies-to-northern-ireland-poll-brexit")
> Four in 10 UK food firms to cut supplies to Northern Ireland as "only 33% had obtained [AN EORI] with an XI prefix"
*Monkey's paw curls*
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/03/four-in-10-uk-food-firms-to-cut-supplies-to-northern-ireland-poll-brexit
Here is a thread on /r/UnitedKingdom about post-brexit paperwork for shipments going from England -> EU (tl;dr don’t bother). I think a lot of this will also apply GB -> NI too from Jan 1st? https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/kc0id8/i_work_in_exports_the_customs_model_ive_been/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I believe some stuff has been preliminarily agreed to mitigate this for NI, but I can’t find anything concrete re: actual implementation https://twitter.com/hayward_katy/status/1337476099098501123
"UK’s largest supermkts told the government they don’t believe its Trader Support Service will be working in time for the end of transition and have urged it to find another way to ensure they can supply their shops in Northern Ireland in the new year."
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-19/supermarkets-urge-government-to-find-alternative-way-to-ship-goods-to-ni
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-19/supermarkets-urge-government-to-find-alternative-way-to-ship-goods-to-ni
Not sure why this is suddenly headline news when some random adhd-fuelled non-customs-expert can find this *exact* information publicly available weeks ago... https://twitter.com/NinjaPotts/status/1325808755020271622
At what point can you actually have criminally negligent malpractice complaints against a sitting government? because that's exactly what this is lmao. except it's 100% deliberate because they're gonna make bank on this £££ https://theconversation.com/no-deal-brexit-how-some-traders-will-be-gearing-up-to-short-the-pound-122162
It's not like there was ever anyone in favour of leaving the EU who would have handled this differently tho, right?
that's me done with brexit tweets for the day, you can all ignore this incredibly dense and boring thread again until NI has food shortages in January
And by January I mean next week https://twitter.com/foodanddrinkfed/status/1340764758765670412
They STILL haven't fixed the formatting validation issue with previously issued EORI numbers... https://twitter.com/mourneseafood/status/1341717618202451968
Here's them responding to me, totally random civilian, over a month ago acknowledging that adding two zeroes to the end validates an EORI number previously seen as invalid, and to just do that. Great to see that went... absolutely... nowhere https://twitter.com/NinjaPotts/status/1341815405560672259
never not at it https://twitter.com/nigelwUK/status/1341709851500683264
