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@roderickgraham claims @HPluckrose and @ConceptualJames" lied and took advantage of an honest process" when they got several papers, which argue for absurd positions, published in respected journals. This is a dishonest redescription of what happened... https://twitter.com/roderickgraham/status/1322656364607512576?s=19
@roderickgraham claims @HPluckrose and @ConceptualJames" lied and took advantage of an honest process" when they got several papers, which argue for absurd positions, published in respected journals. This is a dishonest redescription of what happened... https://twitter.com/roderickgraham/status/1322656364607512576?s=19
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First I'll explained what happened, then I'll show how Rod bends the truth to make an unfair insinuation.
What @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames and @peterboghossian did was claim, very publicly, that there was a problem academia, namely academic journals were publishing shoddy...
First I'll explained what happened, then I'll show how Rod bends the truth to make an unfair insinuation.
What @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames and @peterboghossian did was claim, very publicly, that there was a problem academia, namely academic journals were publishing shoddy...
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scholarship using methods which were not rigorous. They wrote public essays about this long before it was revealed that they had gotten absurd papers into academic journals.
Here is one of their essays which speaks about this issue explicitly: https://areomagazine.com/2018/03/23/a-principled-defense-of-the-university/
scholarship using methods which were not rigorous. They wrote public essays about this long before it was revealed that they had gotten absurd papers into academic journals.
Here is one of their essays which speaks about this issue explicitly: https://areomagazine.com/2018/03/23/a-principled-defense-of-the-university/
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Their method was to accept the assumptions of the people who are running the journals, and then show that if you take those assumptions seriously, you can get them to validate and legitimize things which are both untrue and morally wrong. The idea is this:
Their method was to accept the assumptions of the people who are running the journals, and then show that if you take those assumptions seriously, you can get them to validate and legitimize things which are both untrue and morally wrong. The idea is this:
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You say "OK academic journal, let us accept your assumptions about systemic power, racism, sexism, discourse analysis, and standpoint epistemology. If we accept those "woke" premises we can argue that dog parks are bastions of rape culture, and you will publish it"
You say "OK academic journal, let us accept your assumptions about systemic power, racism, sexism, discourse analysis, and standpoint epistemology. If we accept those "woke" premises we can argue that dog parks are bastions of rape culture, and you will publish it"
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They then proceeded to publish a paper which argued exactly that, and an academic journal published it.
That was not the only paper either, at least *SEVEN* papers were accepted for publication.
THAT is what they did. It was of calling the bluff of these journals.
They then proceeded to publish a paper which argued exactly that, and an academic journal published it.
That was not the only paper either, at least *SEVEN* papers were accepted for publication.
THAT is what they did. It was of calling the bluff of these journals.
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The fact their papers said what they did and got published shows these journals claims to rigor are unfounded. One should not be able to publish obviously incorrect information and morally dubious arguments easily in a large variety of journals. But this is what happened.
The fact their papers said what they did and got published shows these journals claims to rigor are unfounded. One should not be able to publish obviously incorrect information and morally dubious arguments easily in a large variety of journals. But this is what happened.
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The issue is, of course, that the *REASONING* that these journals validate and legitimize is flawed. It isn't matter of sloppy editing, the journals are very very specific about making sure you use the bad reasoning.
Now, what @roderickgraham is doing is pretending that...
The issue is, of course, that the *REASONING* that these journals validate and legitimize is flawed. It isn't matter of sloppy editing, the journals are very very specific about making sure you use the bad reasoning.
Now, what @roderickgraham is doing is pretending that...
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@HPluckrose and @ConceptualJames have a secret axe to grind and are engaged in some kind of political ploy which is hidden. This is why he claims they "lied and took advantage of an honest process."
You will notice that @roderickgraham does NOT claim that the people who...
@HPluckrose and @ConceptualJames have a secret axe to grind and are engaged in some kind of political ploy which is hidden. This is why he claims they "lied and took advantage of an honest process."
You will notice that @roderickgraham does NOT claim that the people who...
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trade on the name and reputation of the academy to validate their ideology as knowledge are taking advantage of an honest process. He is ok with going to the public with studies published in journals that have as their goal of laundering a political ideology as knowledge.
trade on the name and reputation of the academy to validate their ideology as knowledge are taking advantage of an honest process. He is ok with going to the public with studies published in journals that have as their goal of laundering a political ideology as knowledge.
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He repeatedly accuses Helen of being only upset by "the political consequences" when Helen has made CLEAR on many occasions that she cares deeply about the TRUTH and making sure that we get the TRUTH from universities; not ideology dressed up as knowledge.
He repeatedly accuses Helen of being only upset by "the political consequences" when Helen has made CLEAR on many occasions that she cares deeply about the TRUTH and making sure that we get the TRUTH from universities; not ideology dressed up as knowledge.
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@roderickgraham re-describes what Helen did to make it look like she was taking advantage of an honest process to dupe well meaning people for her own hidden agenda.
This is a disingenuous re-frame.
@roderickgraham re-describes what Helen did to make it look like she was taking advantage of an honest process to dupe well meaning people for her own hidden agenda.
This is a disingenuous re-frame.
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The whole POINT of academic journals is to check the articles submitted to see if they are rigorous, well argued, and use proper methods.
*THAT IS THE REASON WHY ACADEMIC JOURNALS HAVE SO MUCH CLOUT*
They make certain that articles use good methods, and careful reasoning.
The whole POINT of academic journals is to check the articles submitted to see if they are rigorous, well argued, and use proper methods.
*THAT IS THE REASON WHY ACADEMIC JOURNALS HAVE SO MUCH CLOUT*
They make certain that articles use good methods, and careful reasoning.
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Without a reputation for liberal epistemic standards and rigorous reasoning academic journals would not have the clout they do. What Helen and James showed by publishing the absurd papers and *BY THE COMMENTS THE REVIEWERS LEFT ON THOSE PAPERS* which really tell the story...
Without a reputation for liberal epistemic standards and rigorous reasoning academic journals would not have the clout they do. What Helen and James showed by publishing the absurd papers and *BY THE COMMENTS THE REVIEWERS LEFT ON THOSE PAPERS* which really tell the story...
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because it showed that the journals *UNDERSTOOD THE PAPERS AND THOUGHT THEY WERE EXCELLENT*
What @roderickgraham is doing is not saying "I see you have published nonsense in the journals perhaps the journals are not being on the up and up" oh no, Roderick has another game...
because it showed that the journals *UNDERSTOOD THE PAPERS AND THOUGHT THEY WERE EXCELLENT*
What @roderickgraham is doing is not saying "I see you have published nonsense in the journals perhaps the journals are not being on the up and up" oh no, Roderick has another game...
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@roderickgraham thinks people hide their motivations, so when they say somethings, it must mean that they really want something else. they have some other goal that Roderick, the wise academic, has to figure out indirectly.
@roderickgraham thinks people hide their motivations, so when they say somethings, it must mean that they really want something else. they have some other goal that Roderick, the wise academic, has to figure out indirectly.
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Unlike those of us who are Naive and get duped cause we don't really know how this stuff works, Roderick sees through the facade, to "what's really happening." He thinks of himself as seeing and being aware of the hidden motivations of other people.
Unlike those of us who are Naive and get duped cause we don't really know how this stuff works, Roderick sees through the facade, to "what's really happening." He thinks of himself as seeing and being aware of the hidden motivations of other people.
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So unlike us, who read @HPluckrose saying "I did this because I believe in liberal ideas of science and reason, and I wanted to show academic journals aren't doing that so I called their bluff" and believe her, @roderickgraham sees himself as being to smart for that old game
So unlike us, who read @HPluckrose saying "I did this because I believe in liberal ideas of science and reason, and I wanted to show academic journals aren't doing that so I called their bluff" and believe her, @roderickgraham sees himself as being to smart for that old game
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You can't fool @roderickgraham with the old "here is exactly why I did what I did, see, I even had @MikeNayna film it while I did it and made detailed notes about it." Oh no, @roderickgraham is nobodies fool, this ain't his first rodeo, and he wasn't born yesterday...
You can't fool @roderickgraham with the old "here is exactly why I did what I did, see, I even had @MikeNayna film it while I did it and made detailed notes about it." Oh no, @roderickgraham is nobodies fool, this ain't his first rodeo, and he wasn't born yesterday...
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@roderickgraham "knows" (just ask him, he says this clearly over and over) that @HPluckrose has hidden motives, and it's really all just a ploy and a "work" (to use a wrestling term) to take the political punch out of Social Justice for her own benefit.
@roderickgraham "knows" (just ask him, he says this clearly over and over) that @HPluckrose has hidden motives, and it's really all just a ploy and a "work" (to use a wrestling term) to take the political punch out of Social Justice for her own benefit.
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Of course, @roderickgraham claims that *HIS* side has views which are well validated, and more evidenced then ANYTHING an anti-woke person says. If you ever implied he only said that to trick people into being woke and didn't really believe it he would not take it well.
Of course, @roderickgraham claims that *HIS* side has views which are well validated, and more evidenced then ANYTHING an anti-woke person says. If you ever implied he only said that to trick people into being woke and didn't really believe it he would not take it well.
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of course people can be cynical, hide their motives, play social power games, and do all sorts of nonsense.
They can also be totally honest about what they are doing.
But, I would argue that people who proudly proclaim that everyone else has hidden motives....
of course people can be cynical, hide their motives, play social power games, and do all sorts of nonsense.
They can also be totally honest about what they are doing.
But, I would argue that people who proudly proclaim that everyone else has hidden motives....
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are people who simple refuse to see that most people are good, kind and caring...even those who disagree with them.
Sure, we need to look out for people who might lie, but that doesn't mean we imply everyone always has a hidden motive. That's ridiculous.
are people who simple refuse to see that most people are good, kind and caring...even those who disagree with them.
Sure, we need to look out for people who might lie, but that doesn't mean we imply everyone always has a hidden motive. That's ridiculous.
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Fuck Cynicism.
People sin, mess up, screw up, make mistakes, and hurt each other.
They are also capable of profound honesty. Lose the cynicism and start enjoying human relationships again.
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Fuck Cynicism.
People sin, mess up, screw up, make mistakes, and hurt each other.
They are also capable of profound honesty. Lose the cynicism and start enjoying human relationships again.
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