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Every leftist needs to absorb that unless porn is materially hurting someone, say like --actual-- child porn where people run children's photography companies but secretly shoot kids in provocative poses and sell them online—Your moral take and disgust don't matter ->

Especially about loli or shota or any kind of 'morally corrupt' cartoon porn or fake porn or erotica.

If you're actually interested in counterattacking the power structure, wanna defend kids and learn what we can do, etc, then educate yourself by researching non-profits -

- like http://Prostasia.org  (and visiting their YT) channel that put an excessive amount of effort into trying to educate people on the nuances of power dynamics, what an opportunity predator vs. a pedophile is and the REAL stats on that and the psych of how that works, etc.

If that's something you're passionate about, then read up on the resources available and pass the information onto your friends so we can at least know what kind of world we wanna build when this system erodes. One not built on puritanical hangups and backed by research.

But until then, as a leftist, if you're seeing all of this loli discourse stirred up by people like X/anderhal (i like his content, but he's an idiot w. this) and you google what it is and try to equate it w/ actual child porn, you need to understand that you're being reactionary

Drawn porn and art aren't hurting real people. That's not a dialectical way of looking at this and if you know anything about Marxism, then you should feel very silly right now.

That's not the way we look at shit like this. You have a kneejerk reaction bc you're squicked.

Squicks are basically repulsive feelings..and that's okay. No one's saying you have to be into it. No one's forcing you.

But if you have a problem w/ what it symbolically represents, you have to understand that you're blaming individuals instead of a power structure.

Sure, a lot of chuds and misogynists like loli. I'm not arguing they don't. But you have to look at the system that facilitates 1) Putting youth on a pedestal, 2) The evangelical roots of it in regards to how we see women, 3) Our culture built on oppressive power dynamics

..You have to look at it dialectically. You have to take it a part, even if it makes you uncomfortable, and look at it like a leftist instead of someone who's bothered, for their own personal reasons, by that form of art/media. That's valid.

But at the same time >

Even if we analyze all of this and figure out what can motivate some people to like it, you also can't demonize that form of art or media. It also isn't going to evaporate once this system is gone.

Things you find personally disgusting will /always/ exist.

..There's a number of CSA survivors that find catharsis in that media and a lot of pedophiles/ebeophiles can benefit from it existing because, uh, as people they exist and need to be accommodated.

It's not harming anyone.

..You have to go after what DOES harm people, say like children that are victims of sex trafficking and the CP industry online, who have REAL material trauma that are suffering opposed to drawings you think remind you of that and you care more about that than the real thing.

Over the past few weeks, there's been a lot of really interesting discussions about 'taboo' topics that we eventually as leftists need to talk about like adults bc they involve people (we) don't like being accommodated in the world we wanna live in.

So, this discussion contributes to that. And the outrage over it is reactionary bait. Neither is it mature or dialectical and as leftists we should know better than to fall prey to that form of thinking. That's what we're trying to move out of. It doesn't help anyone.

Many of you call yourselves leftists when you act like conservatives when it comes to people you seem 'immoral' who aren't harming anyone.

As a fucking leftist you should only care when:
1) There's no consent
2) There's real material harm

Otherwise, you're being a reactionary