Today let’s talk about the famous "Control Diss Battle" that was everyone’s talk for a while in South Korea.

Normally most of the history of this is skipped and not talked about but it’s important to understand the whole battle.
I know it’s hard to look up for information because most of it was deleted and hard to find so I'm going to try to explain myself as best as I can.

First of all there are a lot of cursing and bad words involved so if you are not comfortable please skip the parts where the lyrics are mentioned.

Let’s get started.

We have to go back to July 19th 2013. It all started when E-Sens’s contract with Amoeba Culture ended and he decided to leave the company after this happened, that was also the end of Supreme Team (A hip hop group formed by E-Sens and Simon Dominic).

Simon’s contract with Amoeba wouldn’t finish until a couple months later.

On August 12th. the song “Control” was released worldwide which was something really big.

Before we get started on this matter with Korean artist we have to talk a bit about the song “Control”.
This song was released by Big Sean, Kendrick Lamar and Jay Electronica

The song was a huge success everywhere and it changed the image of rap and hip hop all around the world.

Also Kendrick’s verse is considered one of the best rap verses on hip hop HISTORY and he calls out several artist on his lyrics.

"Control" inspired responses from B.o.B ("How 2 Rap"), Joell Ortiz ("Outta Control"), Lupe Fiasco ("SLR 2"), Joey Bada$$ ("Killuminati Pt. II"), Meek Mill ("Ooh Kill 'Em") and many others.

The thing is that rappers responded to what Lamar said with actual songs and freestyles.
Twitter rants, YouTube threats and random keyboard dissing no longer sufficed.

On the same month, the 21st Swings announced that he was going to release something related to the American Control diss.

That day was when the war officially started in the Korean scene that also decided to use “Control” as the main beat. Let’s get started now.

Also the same exact day (August 21st) Swings released a track also inspired by “Control” called “King Swings”.

Normally this part of the story tends to be skipped and people only talk from Kings Swings pt 2 forward and I don't know why so im going to explain it also because it’s important to know the whole thing.

I'm going to post the ending part of the lyrics of his song where he positions himself on E-Sens side.

"What is rivalry? I have to higher my standards
I have a lot to reflect on but it's not over this
Kang Minho, E-Sens; you left your company now
As a friend and a fan, I'll tell you that don't become a memory but a legend
VJ, we waitin' for ya, San-E we takin' OVER

...

We'll turn them all into dust and use them when we're ready to eat like baking soda
I'll cancel what I said about dissing the scene since I have both love and hatred for it
...

But, when I do become king, please accept the fact that victory is mine
There's one thing better than sex and that's succeeding"

In this track he attacks Take One and Ugly Duck mentioning the crews Buckwilds and Do’main which they are part of.

Also, the certain "hyung" that Swings mentions in his track is referencing Jtong, who was also the leader and founder of the Buckwilds crew.

Jtong and Swings were once together in the crew Illest Konfusion until Swings left it.

Illest Konfusion (IK) also had other artists in their crew such as Simon Dominic who was their leader, E-Sens, and Beenzino.

Just Music (Swings label) said: “This song is based on the feeling that Kendrick Lamar showed on his song of competition and ambition for the rappers and also showing to have more confidence than them in the song “Control”, which heated up the American hip-hop scene a while ago

...Swings focused on capturing the attitude and his own thoughts, that urge more active activities and exertion in this slightly modest scene, such as competition and ambition among Korean rappers.”

On the same day rapper Nafla who was in the United States at that time, heard the news of Swings' Diss Challenge and brought a diss song called “Wings”.

His reason to take part on this was to enjoy' as Swings said he wanted things to be.

The lyrics were playful:
"show me the money you definitely showed me
There's really no proven skill
Class b Korean beef, b for obesity, need height
The difference between us
Tired of the proven punch line
All my skills downfall
you not reppin top dawg
you ain't on the top, dog"

The following day, August 22nd, TakeOne released a track called “Recontrol” answering there to what Swings said about him in "King Swings”.

In his lyrics he doesn’t hold back at all:

"There's thick smokey (makeup) lined up beneath the eyes of a rapper who acts like a celebrity
The way you talk on SNS changed once you went on 'Show Me the Money'
You claim to be the punchline king; then when it comes to your enemies

set them right with a punch
Out of those, the targets may be J'Kyun, Mad C, Din Din. Zizo, and Swings
Who knows, it could be Jindo Dog, Loco, Illtong, or even me
But out of those people, go ahead and ask around who's changed
Of whom acts cute on their Facebook ..

This is the Korean version of Kendrick Lamar's 'Control'
If you're going to keep your eyes out, then why do you even copy in the first place
Also, that's right, I'm a part of Buckwilds and Do'main
We're just friends but we don't pursue music with a business approach"

On August 22nd Ugly Duck releases "Ctrl + Alt + Del *2", a track answering to what Swings said towards him.

Some of his lyrics say:

"You're a psychopath, a crazy ass, a crazy ass who's desperate for attention
There's a line to be drawn, you crazy ass feeding off of your pride in yourself
You act cool but we all know it's a gimmick and that you're just Swings the retard...

You had a rift with Ssam D for a while and now what?
You apologize suddenly and request for him to guest in Just Jam the next day
I understand your motives but aren't you slightly even embarrassed?
I love you but I have to say what I need to say"

As mentioned in Ugly Duck's lyrics of Swings not having a good relationship with Simon D, what we can assume is that there was a rift probably at the time when Swings left Illest Konfusion.

Another assumption that can be made through the lyrics of Swings track is that Swings got involved in the rift that could have happened between Simon D and E-Sens when the latest left Amoeba Culture.

Last but not least, Simon D is known for being close to the members of Buckwilds, especially closest to Jtong at that time and Simon D was the one who recommended Jtong to Amoeba Culture.

This is why it's easy to see how the Buckwilds members would go against Swings.

The track got around pretty fast in a few hours and the responses from netizens were really divided.

Scanning through the comments on Swings’ video and the post made in social media, a lot of people feel that Swings is not how he used to be in the past and that he had changed a lot (not in a good way).

This is the strongest day of them all so get ready because shit gets real (even more? Yeah)

Agust 23rd Deepflow also released a track called “Self Control” in which he acts like a peace maker trying to calm things out

"Hip hop has discolored into green skin color
A bird mournfully cries after consuming a sweet melon
Raps that instigate capitalism
Rap Hooks are extinct in hip hop
For 10 years I've watched the past and present
Although I can't predict the future, one thing's important
...

and that's that Deepflow is alive and well
The rule to this rap game isn't war but rivalry
If skill is the thesis, then your attitude in the future is the premise"

X Ekectro (VEE X KILLA) also decided to take part on this and released "CONTROL RMX”.

It didn’t have much of an impact and didn’t receive much attention because someone else took all the attention from him

For me this song was quite good and a shame that people slept on it

"Please don't get down on your knees
I didn't kneel after being beaten by VASCO for no reason.
awhile,
To VASCO hyung: I have never sweared behind me.
I tried to say this, but Inno hyung stopped it.
THATS IT"

Also this day the most known song of the whole battle was released.
Someone everyone was curious about since his departure from Amoeba Culture, decided to talk and not hold anything back.

E-Sens released the track “You Can’t Control Me”, and also posted it on his Twitter account targeting Gaeko from Dynamic Duo and his ex-label Amoeba Culture.

In this song he disses Amoeba Culture and Gaeko and explains the reason why they signed him in the label in the first place:

He was only guaranteed a debut for the sake of covering Dynamic Duo's empty space while they enlisted and did their military service.

Also he mentions the fact that Amoeba Culture asked him for 1 million dollars of compensations for the year Supreme Team couldn’t release songs because of his marijuana scandal.

Some of the lyrics say:

"If you hear this, then answer me Gaeko
Treat me like how you did in the past 5 years I was under the company
Don't back out now as this is the last respect for me
Since you already rejected the offer, let's battle as soldier to soldier
...

Cosplaying as a nice person - fuck that, that's dirty
Be honest when you're speaking because you're cheap
No matter how much I think of it, I was a sub during the time Dynamic Duo enlisted
...

They used the idea of respecting a junior so explain to me now, including your retired rap beside you
To the rest of of the fuckers, I was going to pen it but it'd be a waste of ink
Everyone probably understood anyway so pass
...

Give you 1 million? Amoeba Culture, kiss my ass
You'll probably do it again with the media play since it's what you're good at"

At some point he talks about a fox: "I wonder if the blood of the fox who shut his mouth and closed his eyes will get hot after hearing this”.

People thought he was referring to his old Supreme Team member Simon Dominic but he went on twitter and denied this accusations saying that he left Simon out of this and that he was talking about Amoeba Culture CEOs.

Also on the 23rd Swings decided to drop another song called “Hwang Jung Min (King Swings Pt 2)” in which he started to call out everyone.

It’s 8 min long but you should check it out bc it’s a hell of a ride

Swings doesn’t waste time going straight to angry name calling. He accuses Simon D of also selling out at the expense of his ex-partner E-Sens. His track is much longer because he devotes the second half in a shoutout to his English-speaking listeners.

He seems more conciliatory toward the end, wishing for a better world for hip hop.

Swings' first diss song, wasn't as good at it was expected, but the quality of the second song was excellent and filled with strong words. Netizens are that point were living for all the drama.

The reason why the title is "Jungmin Hwang" is that Swings and Ugly Duck participated in the album'Watch Out' of the project team Molotov Cocktail of Vasco and Jay Kidman, and at this time,'Shinsegae' and'Hwang Jung Min' among Ugly Duck's lyrics were included.

Let’s take a look at some of the lyrics:

"First, fuck Jung Kiseok (Simon D)
A retarded dog, this Judas fucker! You just stay where you are
You can't even stare at me straight in the eye and if you do, you get cut off like the end of a penis does
...

When Sens got kicked out, you joined both hands with Dynamic Duo
During the time he's asleep, you'd send in proofs of the contents
And then you go on TV and smile while acting like the good guy!?
A million dollar slave contract...is it his fault for rejecting the offer?
...

Ssam D you mother fucker, I knew it ever since you stole"

This song became a big issue because it was implied that Simon D betrayed E-Sens, that was also because of the fox lyric in E-Sens song that I mentioned earlier.

Because of Swings saying that, everyone started talking about Simon betrayal on social media. We can see that clearly in the lyrics mentioned just before this.

A bit more of the lyrics here:

"This fucking duck tries to act manly but let me tell you something
There's only one reason as to why you dissed me and that's because I'm the enemy of an enemy that's your enemy
It's my mindset that doesn't trust anyone without an alliance"

As you can see he didn’t hold himself back at all, and calls names left and right without any care in the world.
In the video I posted a couple tweets ago you can see the full lyrics and see who else he decided to mention and call out.

From that moment on the ranking of Naver's popular search was filled with the names of hip-hop singers. Swings and E-Sens competed for 1st and 2nd in search terms, and the names of other singers who participated in this were also in popular search terms.

This took the attention to most of the news related to music in South Korea those days.

That same day (August 23rd) Ugly duck also released a song answering once again to Swings with a new song called “Format”

"Keep slandering me as you've been doing
Buckwilds & Do'main
Although we have a lot of members, we don't stoop to your childish ways
Fake ass mother fucker, acting friendly once you're in front of people but talking shit behind their backs. I've seen it all”

Also on that day rapper Eleven released Contro11, but it was not a song that targets a specific person like the others rappers before him did, and it was not a song that suits the original purpose of the control riot.

Unfortunately, it did not receive much attention due to the burning atmosphere and it was even deleted from soundcloud so I couldn’t find it anywhere.

The ones who were dissed the most due to the songs released on this day were Simon D and Dynamic Duo.

None of them were even part of the diss war at that moment.

Meanwhile that day, the post everyone was waiting for comes up on Gaeko's Twitter and everyone started talking about it. Rather than explaining or try to defend himself, he said: "I downloaded the Control bit”. This gave anticipation to those who were waiting to see more drama.

On August 24th Simon D finally tweeted.

He only posted a cryptic “Tonight” but everyone was already getting ready because they knew that his counter attack was coming, but others thought he was taking Gaeko’s side and were anticipating his song.

Around 12:30 that same day, Gaeko released the song "I Can Control You".
Since the title of the song E-Sens previously released was "You can't Control me", it was a song that properly aimed at E-Sens straight from the title.

This was the point were Hip-hop communities such as hip-hop, hip-gal, and rhythmic exploded and everyone was losing it. It was one of the most anticipated songs of the whole battle.

Gaeko opens his track addressing the marijuana scandal that surrounded E-Sens last year. Other mentions of his marijuana use are scattered throughout the song, pointing out his selfishness, immaturity, and unprofessionalism.

Let’s take a look at some of the lyrics:

"Maybe finally your pupils will grow a bit bigger after being dilated every day
Since you're on Pat Healy's level, I'll accept your offer as I'm on par with Aldo
Shake off your ashes and wash your shirt that's drenched
...

with the alcohol you spilled yesterday
I never hesitated to give talent for half of my day, yet you gave marijuana to the hardworking rapper kids
Look at the responses on your rap that you made sober: "This fucker's on something"
...

Look at the photo on Naver with your head hung low: "He smoked something"
You're basically asking for the company to clean up after your shit”

Gaeko managed to break away from his mainstream status to post something to respond to E-Sens’ diss. The track was quite weak, there's barely any cuss words at all and all he does is brag about Dynamic Duo’ status.

Also, there's no explanation with what E-Sens called him out on. It was quite disappointing.

After Gaeko released his song, E-sens again announced a new diss song by tweeting, "Okay. You have a personality.” Once again netizens were crazy over this.

FatDoo also posted a song called “Control" through YouTube at 5 pm on that same day. This song did not have a specified target and it was buried without much attention due Gaeko’ song.

Also that day JiBaek of CMYK and member of Blockbuster Records, which is now a disbanded label, unveiled "Lose Control" aimed at the former chief outsiders, opening another phase of the war. This song was hard as hell to find so you better listen to it.

Here are some of the lyrics:

"The target is the Outsider Captain's Otaku, always pretending to be compassionate, and you'll lose it.
Calculate what it is and move the horses underneath it.
I didn't know that when I paid the office rent, the manager's
...

house deposit was my investment
The excuse of being a'brother' who thought it was natural that the investment of a few thousand was only 500
Since I don’t have money, I have only ideas as a means of publicity."

Tarae, rapper who appeared on SMTM2, released a song titled "Don't Fight", and criticized the rappers who preceded him, complaining that they have been selfish and acted like they’re the only ones making “real” hip hop.

I couldn’t find the song anywhere because he deleted from soundcloud and YouTube and no one reposted it.

Some of the lyrics here:

“I wanted to run like an 8-ton truck that has lost control, but I was only able to crawl along the ground”

Meanwhile, Desperazi also posted a diss song called “Control” that I couldn’t find anywhere either. It was a song that criticized the current hip-hop scene, which once pursued only commercial music and at that moment tried to look like it is with a control beat.

Desperazi's activity was more focused on African broadcasts and that’s the reason why people ignored it.

On August 25th at 3:55am E-Sens posted a new song called 'True Story' against Gaeko.

If you want to find out what was E-Sens going through I totally recommend you to watch that video and listen to the song because the way he was treated was awful. His lyrics are impactful and real.

"When I got fucked up, I told you
I swear I’ll pay you back in several times larger some. I didn’t whine.
Two years later, you gave me the slave contract.
I asked you how much the real loss is, and you say
I gotta sue the label if I wanna find out?
...

You’re gonna cut down 8 hundred million if I give you 2 and leave silently?
Stop the jokes. I knew it was a bullshit.
You treated me as an idiot, and told me as if you are being generous.
I told you clearly that I would never evade my responsibility.
...

Where’s that 'betrayal’ in here?
Fuck you. Go the hell. In there, even having a rest was done with shivering.
Your retarded manager got afraid to
tell a PD that I can’t be on the broadcast,
so he asked me to change my father’s memorial ceremony to the weekend.”

An hour later at 4:15 am. Simon D finally took part in this battle and released “Control”

Simon divided his song in two “sections”.

First he talks about his relationship with E-Sens and Dynamic Duo clearing out rumors and then he answers to Swing’s “King Swings pt2"

Simon is well known for swearing a lot, so in the second part of the song we can see the king of swearing in all his glory. Let’s check some of the lyrics of the first part where he talks about his relationship with amoeba and e-sens:

"E-sens wanted them to insult and hit him. That’s exactly it.
The rage formed by indifference and onlooking is changing the dynamics of the scene.
Those watching dogs say I’m that fox. Hold on.
E-sens woudn’t diss me that vaguely. Don’t be careless.
...

E-sens versus Amoeba Culture, E-sens versus Dynamic duo.
I was quite problematic, too, but their fate didn’t allign.
In a position where I can’t judge this battle between them in one’s favor,
the one I’ve always grabbed at one side was my brother’s wrist. Really.”

Now let's see some of the lyrics answering to what Swings said about him in his song:

"You have no right to say the ‘truth’. You’ve been fucked up before.
You go to the first place only after you sell my name. You fucker.
That’s my last mercy. Show Me The Money bullshit.
Brand new pussy. You knelt in front of a contract.
...

Fucking pig, you’re still not cooked well on the grill.
You’re not raw, nor rare. You’re just a wack.
If I was scared of you, I would have cut your throat first.
But you’re a fucker that’s weirdly a necessary evil. So I spared your life.”

...

"Thanks for being knocked out first, fucking Moon Ji-hoon.
You say you and E-sens are bff, yet you don’t know shit about the inside story.
Do I need to tell you everything, rubbing your ears?"

As I said earlier with the E-Sens' song, you should check out the video I posted and listen to the full song to see everything he says and understand better the whole story.

The reaction of the public was really divided it was 50/50. There were two sides:

the ones who thought Amoeba Culture and doubleD did wrong.

and the side that believed E-Sens was wrong and it was his fault for smoking marijuana

However, it was a common opinion that Amoeba Culture was advantageous if these went to the legal level. But it was also clear that if this fight was taken to the realm of law, the image of Dynamic Duo would be greatly damaged in hip-hop for not solving problems personally.

Also other rappers posted on this same day their own version of Control even though people didn’t take much interest in them and were focusing on the big fishes.

Diz’one released Control in Control https://www.facebook.com/nashow85/videos/485038651626016

Skandalous published "ContLoL" which targeted female rappers and that’s why Tymee decided to publish something later that day.
This is some of what he said:

"Also, a fuck you to the retards lowering standards for being called here and there just because you're a girl
Your pussy isn't aromatic so stop biting Nicki and do something else
...

Everyone's a Yoon Mirae wannabe or a CL wannabe
For 10 years everyone's been a Yoon Mirae copycat and what makes them only different is their makeup"

That same day Tymee (SMTM3 and Unpretty Rapstar) wrote on Twitter at dawn to warn of her participation in the Control Diss.
That night she posted "Cont LOL” the same tittle as Skandalous' song.

It’s well known that Tymee was previously active under the name of E.via. In this song she talks about how you have to be careful while listening to your seniors and the way she was treated in her old label and even uses the tone she used to put when she performed as E.via.

Dead’P posted Rap Game Control he basically talks about the industry and talks about idols and media https://soundcloud.com/bigdealsquads/deadp-rap-game-control

"Your true enemy is not the brother in front of you but the entertainment TV shows and idol music; fuck 'em all
Electro shit, fuck it. Ballad rap, fuck it
Plastering make up on you in making you a clown, fuck it
Be a man, be a rapper. Yes you can fuck 'em all brothers"

Yasu published "Hello, Senior"
This diss was directed toward Swings and called him out for starting fights with a “shitty song in which you cant even do a good punchline”

Donutman released “Control” in this song he talks about how people looked at him down and compared him to okasian and it’s tired of hypocrites. He praises Swings for changing the game in Korea. He erased the song from the whole internet but it wasn’t that interesting tbh.

Nuttyverse posted “Mind Control”.
He calls everyone out for thinking they are the best and said he’s tired of hearing Control and call everyone an opportunist and attention seekers for dissing anyone randomly for their minute of fame

"What? Have you listened to 'Control' a couple of times?
This is simply just playing around, "proof" to them promoting themselves

You call that rap? They can't control their sphincters with no respects to the beats
...

These guys are unruly, merely fuckers with no respect wanting respect
Who's the king and who are these countrified dumbasses bringing up the king's crown”

OBAKA POWER also took part in the diss war and released "Obaka Control”

At 11:51 pm another member of CMYK, Deffinite, uploaded "Out of Control" and dissed Outsider more than JiBaek. The content is about the behavior of outsiders at the time of Blockbuster Records and the disagreement that occurred when ASSACOMZ was founded.

However, Outsiders later revealed that it was not worth responding to this diss, so outsiders' participation in the diss never happened.

At noon on the 26th Swings released his third song, “New World (Kings Swings 3)”, responding to Simon D.

Swings reminisces on the old days when he and Simon were working together, also reflecting on how Simon has changed over the years. He said he's more in touch with his real fans, including ones coming from Simon D’s own hometown. He says that he wants the best for Korean hip hop

"Shut the fuck up. Don't sell friendship, brother
The person you don't need. It flies so easily
Sens did it. I never told me about you
Tong told me about Sens exit, back head
"It's completely wrong." You can trust him
Let's ask. Why did I go out of IK's sense, brother?
...

As soon as the incident broke out. You're still
Since it's sliced, did u call Sens yesterday?
I heard this from Sens, directly
ur thesis is full of flaws...D+
He said "I understand Ki-seok hyung.
I feel sad rather than angry"
In a word, u are a bitch, but this one wraps around u"

Swings declared that this was his last song and that he would no longer release control-related diss-songs.

Swings said in an interview: "I don't regret starting the war... But I didn't expect such a storm. When I get angry, I speak in a coarse manner. But I normally have a timid personality... Because I cursed others out through my diss, others cursed at me too."

Swings also apologized to E-Sens and JTONG: "I think it was low of me to try to win by mentioning you. I'm sorry and I will make music that doesn't disappoint anyone from now on."He also apologized to his agency CEO.

In an interview E-Sens also revealed that his purpose was to reveal the conflict he had with Amoeba Dulture and Dynamic Duo rather than meeting the purpose of “control".

There was a lot of talk about whether this would really end that day when Swings decided to say that it was over. After that E-Sens, Dynamic Duo and Simon D were quiet and didn’t post anything else.

On August 27th Swings’ label Brand New Music said that Swings wouldn’t release any more songs regarding this matter.

That same day E-Sens posted an ambiguos picture on twitter of himself and Simon back in their Supreme Team days before Amoeba Culture.

E-Sens is seen posing for a camera with his fans while Simon D walks away. Netizens interpreted this as another “diss” to Simon D or as a sign of nostalgia for the good old days.

Simon posted more pictures of E-Sens on his Supreme Team days with weird hairstyles. Rapper Gary commented them saying “cuties”. He also said that he thought that the pair were making up and talking over all that madness.

Simon ex-girlfriend, Lady Jane, went on a radio show and was asked about this matter. She only said: "There seems to be a lot of people hating on each others these days"

On August 29th, Yang DongGeun (YDG) was late but posted "Mind Control" either way and participated in the war, and this diss war.

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"Diss exhibition like now that everyone wanted
Encroaching
TJ's final decision
I buried it quietly
This is no United States of America but Korea
Unfortunately, the Eastern Office of Courtesy”

Other rappers and artists didn’t take part in the war itself but talked about it on social media and tv shows. I'm going to post a couple of them.

Rapper Defconn, considered a major pioneer in Korea’s hip-hop scene, tried to act as a peace ambassador on by posting a photo of a basket full flowers he received from fans.

Primary said about this “Everyone encourages me to get into the fight, but I don’t have an opinion because I’ve never even talked with Swings”

Composer Kim Hyung-suk said “Hip hop becomes really tasty when there is a battle, Thanks to all the rappers for giving us some enjoyment.”

Singer and rapper Jay Park was even more enthusiastic. “Yall see whats goin on with HIP HOP in KOREA right now “I love it!”

In 2014 after Simon joined AOMG the label did a special for Mnet channel where they were asked about different things. Finally the diss control battle against Swings was brought up and Simon was more than happy to talk about it.

You can watch this on YouTube from min 3:20 on

Basically he said: "Because I’m still very sensitive about this matter. We were really aggressive when we were dissing each other. Both he and I were aggressive. I think that the reason why I got dissed by Swings is because I was not fully serving as a senior to him. I admit it.

About a year has passed after our diss happened. I don’t have any bad feelings towards Swings. He’s doing many unit project with Jay Park and Gray. If I still had bad feelings towards him that couldn’t happen.
But I admit Swings’ talent for music, his rapping skill.
...

We will get to meet again someday. I felt that it would be great to meet together and have the chance to talk to each other”

In 2014 a couple of months after that Swings was interviewed over it too. I heard that Simon D came out on 'Radio Star' and said that he originally had no intention to take part in the diss battle until I provoked him. Honestly, that put me in a bad mood.
...

After hearing that, I called him up first to personally tell him that it made me feel bad. Simon D is a bit sly, right? He told me, 'We could make a great picture,' so I met up with him and talked to him, and we had a good discussion," as Simon D asked him to come to his house.

He continued then said, "You guys do a lot of video messages, right? Can I just send him a video message?" He said towards the camera, "Simon D. A lot happened between us . . . Things became awkward between us, but I miss you. Do well."

In 2018 Simon D went as the featured artist on SMTM777 for Code Kunst and Palo Alto team.

He was seen in the waiting room of Swings’ team with Gaeko who was also there. They seem to talk normally but others said that Swings and Simon D were still really awkward between each other.

E-Sens and Simon were still friends and Simon even went to speak on his behalf at court. But lost almost all contact with him when E-Sens finally went to jail later that year.

Things are still awkward between a couple of rappers but others moved on from it real fast.

If you got 'till this point thank you so much for sticking up with me and I hoped this was useful and made you understand what happened in 2013 because most info is hard to find nowadays.