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I highly encourage anyone solid in their faith (not that you just believe it or are saved) - those that have dug deep into the whats and whys- to venture out of their echo chamber and converse with others of differing beliefs and faiths. It can prompt you to consider
I highly encourage anyone solid in their faith (not that you just believe it or are saved) - those that have dug deep into the whats and whys- to venture out of their echo chamber and converse with others of differing beliefs and faiths. It can prompt you to consider
thoughts youve never considered, deeper research & understanding of your faith/beliefs, a granting of more wisdom, and a strengthening of your faith.
I did so tonight & thought I'd share the discourse. Any posts not from me are denoted with an O (for other). No handles, etc.
I did so tonight & thought I'd share the discourse. Any posts not from me are denoted with an O (for other). No handles, etc.
Original Post to which I replied & started the discourse:
O: The God of the Bible wanted you to be a slave Beast
The Snake Loved you and wanted to you to have life! And free will!
O: The God of the Bible wanted you to be a slave Beast
The Snake Loved you and wanted to you to have life! And free will!
Free will was already granted... Hence why Eve was even able to consider the serpant's logic, let alone act upon it. 
Just my $0.02. 
Just my $0.02.
O: How can one sin without knowing between good and evil?
To sin isn't to do good or to do evil. To sin is to go against the will of YHWH (God). We all have the choice to either walk in His will or not (free will). Eve sinned by going against God's will and partaking from the tree of knowledge of good/evil. 1/
Therefore she committed sin (by it's definition) before she ever knew btwn good and evil. Good can be just as sinful as evil, which is why (I believe) it was never intended for us to know the diff. But rather to live in communion with God in peace and greatness sans confusion 2/
Said confusion being brought because of trying to decipher between God's perfect plan and will and [(good) and (evil)]. /3
O: It's more of an intension then an action. God knew that she would eat it.. sounds like a set up to me... That's pretty damn evil.. and how the hell did they hide from God? Peeks in the garden and is like " hey! Where are you guys? And who covered your tits?"
I already answered the hiding part. He knew where they were. Yes, He did know she would. Which is why He warned them not to partake from that tree. He could have stopped them, but that would've interfered with free will, which He will never do. (ANS earlier in time, but 
here)
here)
O: Free will is not constructed in restricted will. A commandment to not gain knowledge is restricting one’s will with punishment attached. Just like America and the illusion of freedom. Take the vaccine and you can be “free”. Don’t and you will be punished by restriction.
Knowledge can come from any source. Wisdom can come from only one. Gaining that knowledge took them out of an eternal spiritual communion and into a physical fight through the murky waters to try and reattain it. Thus, all the spiritual seeking we see mankind going through.
I don't see it as the same as the vaccine at all. The vaccine you know the evil/good that may come based on your decision. With the e.g. of the Fall of Man, they never had to know or experience it. But they used their free will to try and become like God. The same thing that 2/
caused the fallen ones to be cast out. They tried to be like and/or higher than God. They didn't correct themselves. There was/is/ever will be only one God. He created all. He is the highest. Mankind is God's most beloved creation. We have the chance to reunite in spiritual 3/
communion w/ our Creator. Something the fallen ones will never have/ be able to do. Their one goal in the dominion they were given to rule over is to destroy that communion, understanding, & reconciliation - to make man believe he/she can too be like/equal to/higher than God.
O: Did you notice how they, after being split apart from being one, hid when they discovered they were “naked” (however one interprets) when they saw what evil was after their “eye(s)” were opened and hid from their creator? Who hides from that which is good?
They didn't hide as most understand it, but we will go with that term for purposes of this... You don't hide from that which is good, no? That implies they were hiding from evil. Bc in the duality construct you seem to be pushing, if it is not good, it must be evil. 1/
So if you hide from evil, you hide bc of fear, yes? They didn't hide from fear. They hid due to shame. They understood they had stepped outside the will. But, they also knew they could not hide. He knew where they were. He didn't ask them where are you bc he didn't know where 2/
They were. He asked because he wanted them to come forth on their own. Think Abt a child playing hide & seek with an older child/their parent, esp. when theyve done wrong. You walk in & you can clearly see where they are. Yet, you ask... Where are you. 
O: I don’t curse my children to suffering and death as punishment for seeking knowledge, nor take wrath upon them demanding they fear me and call it righteous.
No slave who truely seeks freedom goes back to take the masters estate when free.
Christ Kingdom is not of this estate.
No slave who truely seeks freedom goes back to take the masters estate when free.
Christ Kingdom is not of this estate.
A good point and I see what you're getting at. And this may be where it's simply a difference of interpretation and understanding based on our different definitions and spiritual beliefs. That's cool
You're text is coming across a little heated, so I'm going to back off
You're text is coming across a little heated, so I'm going to back off
From a point of respecting those differences. Not my place to pry your eyes open, nor is it yours to pry mine. (Not that you were, just clarifying 
)
I believe knowledge is carnal and wisdom is spiritual. Hard to fully explain without ample room for discussion
)I believe knowledge is carnal and wisdom is spiritual. Hard to fully explain without ample room for discussion
when someone is already on the other end of the field from you.
But, I've enjoyed the convo! Thank you for your insights and the intellectual conversation. Rare these days, but I know I can always get it on [user handle] & (most
) of his followers. You're def one!
But, I've enjoyed the convo! Thank you for your insights and the intellectual conversation. Rare these days, but I know I can always get it on [user handle] & (most
) of his followers. You're def one!
Afterthoughts:
God never said to fear Him (as in be scared). The fear related to God is more about being in awe/respecting. So, yes, as a parent, I do demand respect & I do reprimand & issue punishments that fit the disobedience.
God never said to fear Him (as in be scared). The fear related to God is more about being in awe/respecting. So, yes, as a parent, I do demand respect & I do reprimand & issue punishments that fit the disobedience.
Man's fall had eternal repercussions, thus the punishment was eternal. But, God gave us the opportunity to make good and reconcile - to come back to the family table. Once you're a son, you're a son forever. God still loves you, His creation, His child.
Doesn't mean He won't reprimand or kick you out of the house once you're "grown" and should know better than to do things out of His will. Even if He has to kick you out so you'll learn, it doesn't mean He loves you less. It doesn't mean you can't come home once you "get right."
"Getting right" doesn't mean you'll be perfect. Ever. Neither are our children. We course correct when they're in the wrong. God does the same for us. It is not our place to come from a Holier than Thou place. That is NOT of God. That mindset is carnal & doesn't come from Him.
It is our duty to share our faith if the door is opened. Not to blow a hole in someone's house & force our way in. We are to correct misconceptions if we can do so out of love, not ego. It is NOT our duty to "Bible beat," lash out, call names, etc.
As with fellow ConspiraFactists, we need only drop the seed and leave enough nutrients for initial rooting. What happens from there is between their Spirit and God. Know when its time to stop sowing.
