So I had a watch of this and... hmmm.
His argument balances on comparing the goals and tactics of both left and right as the same in their own relative camps. “The fascists did it and now look at the republicans”. The electoral system in America favours status quo & capital and that’s why it works for the right.
Our job is harder and requires working against the system we are in, not within it. I mean this is basic goddamn stuff we were always talking about before Lefttube was even a thing and now I see these Liberal takes? Blimey.
Also I was never Bernie or Bust. You need not lecture me on realpolitik, I know you need to play games all the way or nothing, that’s why I say forgetta about it and instead pick up the actual game, like, we've, been, saying, forever.
“We may not live in the best democracy” I think this is the issue with America, it’s the complete belly of the beast, your head of state from the standing point of the world is not like Poland’s or Croatia’s, the POTUS will affect the global stage, no matter who it is.
To quote Indigenous action: “The idea of a ballot being capable of reducing the harm in a system rooted in colonial domination and exploitation, white supremacy, hetero-patriarchy, and capitalism is an extraordinary exaggeration”
We’ve tried to get a Social-Democrat in power in my country. He had mass public support. The Tories wouldn’t have it, his own goddamn party wouldn’t have it. Now we have Mr Porridge Mcgee as Labour leader and he’s dismantling all the gains made.
Strange he’s saying “If we Leftists vote democrat we’ll get leverage” when its been very clearly established the Democratic party would rather sink its ship than allow Leftists to be part of it ey?
“You think they’ll bend over to you if you remove your vote?” My opinion is I have no care for the electoral system here and neither should we, get yourself some better tactics.
Getting real tired of this gambit of “Oh you’re just clout chasing, Ultra-left, larper”. Like yes ofc anybody who critiques electoralism is this stereotype. Antonio Gramsci’s arguments make him a larper do they? Maybe engage with some of their arguments.
Am I going: “Listen you Reformist, Liberal, ‘Revisionist’, Right deviant, Snake oil salesman, wake the fuck up and blow shit up.” No, so do me the favour not to just throw a stereotype on us and thereby dismiss all points at hand.
Explain exactly how you’re gonna make 3rd parties viable in America as long as it exists in its current form. Again, analyse your actual conditions, look at the history, instead of just taking some log from other countries.
“Work in the system” Work in the goddamn system? Did I miss a meeting?
Again, prove that what can be done for the right infiltrating the republicans will necessarily work for the left in so much as it works for the right. We’re not playing a reformist, traditionalist, capital increasing game, we're in it to destroy it.
So many arguments against Trump rest on the idea that he’s the problem in America when he’s not. The BLM protests, the Standing Rock protests, the Flint water crisis, ICE, all occurred under Obama. The same cops Trump is using are the same they’ve used for 40 years.
“They’ll soon realise Biden isn’t fixing things and want change” Where have I heard that one before? I could just as easily argue it’ll destroy the momentum and people become disheartened and start thinking the right have the right idea.
Often what you find is the group listens to the person with the most influence, when they swing, the rest swing and so forth, like a certain somebody.
Is having Biden/Harris going to create the best apparatus for influence? Or will they take them their own way?
It’s not a binary of Principles vs Winning, that’s another logic I’ve seen servatives use actually (see Christopher Cantwell). Very poor analysis if you ask me. This ain't Destiny debate me bro time either.
Principles and Success are interlinked and subject to different application based in different circumstances, quite like Individualism v Collectivism. Sometimes winning means a retreat.
Having a big mouth doesn’t mean your points are correct. There might be some value to be gained from some of the stuff he says but the overall point is immeasurably reformist, logically poor, and unimaginative af.
“But there’s no alternatives!”. Where’d your imagination go? People are rioting rn.
How about using some of those hundreds of millions that would’ve gone to the Bernie campaign into buying cheap unused buildings, refurbishing them and creating community spaces.
You can use them to build people up and create strong, active, and involved communities. The NOI know this btw, that’s why they’re so influential in black communities, because they actually affect people’s lives instead of just putting up candidates or loud gestures.
A space works, money works, if you have the organising space you can get so much more done for your dollars. I've seen this myself, I've also seen what happens when a space disappears.
The right possess a huge amount of spaces, maybe you'd like to do this before u infiltrate?
You could invest in a tenants union like ACORN and help them to fight landlords, making people realise “Oh yeah who needs them”. Maybe that’ll evolve into the creation and proliferation of cooperatives, further influencing our goals?
You could follow the road of the Black Panther party, create drug rehab and breakfast programmes if you’d like? Get gangs politically active? Train more people into leaders instead of putting your faith in some political campaign.
You could connect all of these groups under one big flag, and then eventually you will actually have the power, you will now be the cavalry, you won’t be some entryist tailing the DNC.
This is all very over simplistic here but it’s 100x more effective and useful to the end goal than receding to a deviant position that accepts reformism in the biggest exporter of pain and misery in the world as radical.
And if folks are going to say “Well you’re not doing that at this exact moment right now” First, you’re evading my points. Second, I’m not the only person who’s valued this very basic stuff. Anna did. Anna died. If she told you would you listen?
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