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Today we shall talk about The most
incoherence doctrine in christianity
Surely you'all know what I'm talking about
(The trinity) from a strict logical point of view
Before arguing that it is not supported by scripture we must see if it supported by logic
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incoherence doctrine in christianity
Surely you'all know what I'm talking about
(The trinity) from a strict logical point of view
Before arguing that it is not supported by scripture we must see if it supported by logic
[Thread]
1)what is the trinity?
Christians in their struggle to rationalize the irrationally, they try to prove the divinity of the 3 persons presupposing by doing so, it's the trinity
But NO
Trinity is the existence of
-3 different persons
-with same essence
-co equal
-co eternal
Christians in their struggle to rationalize the irrationally, they try to prove the divinity of the 3 persons presupposing by doing so, it's the trinity
But NO
Trinity is the existence of
-3 different persons
-with same essence
-co equal
-co eternal
2)
-The father is God
-The son is God
-The holy spirit is God
-not 3 gods but one God
-The father is a person
-The son is a person
-The holy spirit is a person
-not 3 persons but 1 person
-The father is God
-The son is God
-The holy spirit is God
-not 3 gods but one God
-The father is a person
-The son is a person
-The holy spirit is a person
-not 3 persons but 1 person
3)The son was dependent on the father to exist, therefore he is not :
-a necessary existent
Rather a :
-contingent
-he is different from the father yet both are gods & at the same time (one)
-a necessary existent
Rather a :
-contingent
-he is different from the father yet both are gods & at the same time (one)
4)The holy spirit is not the son and not the father, it's a thrid person which proceeds from both the tow other persons
Therefore it's also a contingent & not a necessary existent
Yet believed to be one in the essence with the other 2 different gods
Therefore it's also a contingent & not a necessary existent
Yet believed to be one in the essence with the other 2 different gods
5)the father is a God who is neither dependent on the holy spirit nor the son, he is the person we can call :
-the necessary existent
Both the son & the holy spirit work by & under the commad of the father, yet christians call these 3 co-equal and co-eternal & one God
-the necessary existent
Both the son & the holy spirit work by & under the commad of the father, yet christians call these 3 co-equal and co-eternal & one God
6)
Now obviously since we stated the former explaination of the trinity
We are dragged to fall into the problematic stark question:
-how could in a rational mind exist the possibility of a necessary existent being co-equal & co-eternal with something contingent/ dependent?
Now obviously since we stated the former explaination of the trinity
We are dragged to fall into the problematic stark question:
-how could in a rational mind exist the possibility of a necessary existent being co-equal & co-eternal with something contingent/ dependent?
7)If U want to run from this fallacy Then y'r gonna fall into another one That reinforces the idea of this God being divided into three pieces! if each one of these pieces is different than the other but still a god. Then There's a 4th person that constitutes the 3 combined .
8) the Christian argues that your hand is one thing and Works according to your mind, but still you are one person. Let's put this analogy on a robot that is divided.
Do we call each piece of it (a complate robot)? if Yes, then how many robots do we have once we integrate them?
Do we call each piece of it (a complate robot)? if Yes, then how many robots do we have once we integrate them?
9)If we understand the Christian Creed Like this, we have :
1) God the one who has 3 combined in him (Godhead)
2) God the father, who's the first person of the three
3) God the son, who's the second person
4) God the holy spirit, who's the third person .
1) God the one who has 3 combined in him (Godhead)
2) God the father, who's the first person of the three
3) God the son, who's the second person
4) God the holy spirit, who's the third person .
10) for the sake argument, let's suppose the 3 persons of the trinity share the same essence, this still won't make them ONE
For examp :
-Muhammad is a human
-Moses is a human
-jesus is a human
They share the same essence (humanity) but still we can't say
These three are ONE
For examp :
-Muhammad is a human
-Moses is a human
-jesus is a human
They share the same essence (humanity) but still we can't say
These three are ONE
11)Muhammad is not Moses and Jesus is not Muhammad
-these 3 persons are a part of humanity yet, no one can claim these persons are one
So Christians worship 3 gods
justifying this idolatry by claiming they share one Essence or bear the name (God) won't in reality make them ONE
-these 3 persons are a part of humanity yet, no one can claim these persons are one
So Christians worship 3 gods
justifying this idolatry by claiming they share one Essence or bear the name (God) won't in reality make them ONE
12) you would fail to justify the trinity from any point of view : Rationally/ logically/ philosophically/ scripturally, and even {mathematically}
Because:
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
It would never equal ( 1 )
Exept in the christian mind
Because:
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
It would never equal ( 1 )
Exept in the christian mind
13) But we find objections from ppl who aren't well versed of their scriptures or history. & they might appeal to Modern analogies. Like:
-the water anology
-the egge anology
-the man anology
-the dog with three heads anology
-the water anology
-the egge anology
-the man anology
-the dog with three heads anology
14)
The water anology:
Water - ice - gas
They forget that water can only be one form and not all the three forms at one time.
And actually this is a heretical view. Because it denies the existence of all the three different persons at the same time in the trinity.
The water anology:
Water - ice - gas
They forget that water can only be one form and not all the three forms at one time.
And actually this is a heretical view. Because it denies the existence of all the three different persons at the same time in the trinity.
15)the egge anology
An egg basically consists of 3 parts:
-a shell
-a white
-a yolk
Although we have 3 things making up one but each of these 3 is of a different substance or Essence. & this is contradictory to the trinity That says all the 3 persons share one essence .
An egg basically consists of 3 parts:
-a shell
-a white
-a yolk
Although we have 3 things making up one but each of these 3 is of a different substance or Essence. & this is contradictory to the trinity That says all the 3 persons share one essence .
16)man anology
A man can be a son & a father & a grandfather
This can only be with the existence of other persons not that he is the son of himself and the father of hismelf as it's illogical
The other thing| why stop at 3?
He can be a father & uncle & neighbor & brother etc
A man can be a son & a father & a grandfather
This can only be with the existence of other persons not that he is the son of himself and the father of hismelf as it's illogical
The other thing| why stop at 3?
He can be a father & uncle & neighbor & brother etc
17)the dog anology
Before we refute this, we gotta laugh for a sec at this mythical dog & how christians can compare their God to a Dog
Having 3 heads means having 3 minds sharing one body, & it doesn't mean they're 1
If 3 persons are locked up in 1 room they're still 3 not 1
Before we refute this, we gotta laugh for a sec at this mythical dog & how christians can compare their God to a Dog
Having 3 heads means having 3 minds sharing one body, & it doesn't mean they're 1
If 3 persons are locked up in 1 room they're still 3 not 1
18)God is absolute
Having more than 1 absolute is an impossibility cuz the existence of one absolute in his knowledge & ability with another absolute Means: the limit of the power of the god number 1 ends at the limit of the god number 2 & this makes him imperfect & not absolute
Having more than 1 absolute is an impossibility cuz the existence of one absolute in his knowledge & ability with another absolute Means: the limit of the power of the god number 1 ends at the limit of the god number 2 & this makes him imperfect & not absolute
19) so the existence of 3 co-equal & co-eternal Gods is not philosophically possible. & despite what we said i can add :
-if the holy spirit is equal to the father why does it work under his command ?
-if the word (son) emerged from the father how can it be equal to him ?
-if the holy spirit is equal to the father why does it work under his command ?
-if the word (son) emerged from the father how can it be equal to him ?
20)
The Trinity is one of the most ambiguous/ irrational/ Creeds ever made up by men who themselves couldn't explain it or understand it & whether you believe in it or not, U can never comprehend it or justify it based on logic without having ppl staring at U as a fool.
The Trinity is one of the most ambiguous/ irrational/ Creeds ever made up by men who themselves couldn't explain it or understand it & whether you believe in it or not, U can never comprehend it or justify it based on logic without having ppl staring at U as a fool.
والله اعلم .
And Allah knows best .
And Allah knows best .
