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I just watched the @res_publica The Future of Post-liberalism seminar with @Phillip_Blond, @PatrickDeneen, @Vermeullarmine, Ryszard Legutko, @NJ_Timothy, and @moveincircles as moderator. I recommend watching it in full but here are some highlights.

#postliberalism

First, #postliberalism is a new idea and this was a good intro/discussion about where it should go. I discerned two camps: international post-liberalism represented by @Phillip_Blond, @Vermeullarmine, and @PatrickDeneen and a national kind represented by Legutko and @NJ_Timothy.

The case for international #postliberalism was made early on and succinctly by @Phillip_Blond: post-liberal universalism is needed to respond to liberal universalism. I agree with this b/c liberalism been successful and difficult to challenge due to its insistence on ubiquity.

Lest we believe liberalism is indeed ubiquitous, Legutko points out that #Poland hasn't been dominantly liberal for it to be post-liberal. I think this is why countries like Poland and #Hungary inundated with liberalism vs. a progressive adoption are at forefront of opposition.

While I believe that #postliberalism must be universal, I understand Legutko's contention that it must to a substantial degree be nationalist. Sounds contradictory but the point is that it needs to have strong national foundations before becoming international, like @visegrad24.

. @Vermeullarmine's "common-good constitutionalism" with the aim being common good nested in communities, family, city, nation, and inter/supranational order instead of maximization of individual liberty speaks to how the hierarchy would operate. More: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/common-good-constitutionalism/609037/

. @PatrickDeneen correctly noted that there needs to be a creation of a #postliberal elite, which doesn't currently exist in the US (and, yes, the world). @Vermeullarmine & Legutko get to this later when discussing institutions. Deneen also makes distinction btwn int'l. vs global.

On question of religion, @Vermeullarmine expounds on future's post-Christian character, describing sacramental liberalism as a "crusading faith." He and Legutko have made a strong case for this before: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2017/01/liturgy-of-liberalism

Both Legutko and @Vermeullarmine argue for the important role of Christianity in #postliberalism, with Vermeule saying that Christianity is the "only plausible force" that has the confidence and metaphysical premises to cope with liberalism. Hard to disagree.

On identity politics, @NJ_Timothy says that it is not necessarily bad and @Phillip_Blond echoes the sentiment at least at least in saying that its acolytes aren't necessarily bad people. @PatrickDeneen has a more cynical view, saying it's a weaponization of Mill's harm principle.

I think @PatrickDeneen offers an accurate picture of identity politics as it exists today, saying it's a "tremendously deceptive but brilliant strategy that does the opposite of what it claims to be doing" (i.e. seemingly promoting equality but seeking power over others instead).

Though it's important to note that @Phillip_Blond rightly advocates distinguishing between modern identity politics and that of the suffragettes or MLK Jr., which he calls inclusive identity politics (i.e. integration, not segregation, as is the case today).

The final question was about institutions and there was consensus that #postliberals/conservatives must adopt an institutional mindset in developing not only their participating in existing institutions, but creating their own.

Legutko, also a politician, says conservatives in Europe (his own experience) have been too timid in building institutions. Anyone looking at the EU or myriad derivative organizations and movements throughout Europe - and their success in imposing liberalism - could not disagree.

This is where @Vermeullarmine says that #postliberalism should be promoted in existing institutions in the short-term but should start investing in new institutions that will come online decades later. Hear, hear!

In my view, the lack of institutional strength has been the main factor in why conservatives have been crushed by liberalism and I'm glad that was recognized and discussed in the #postliberalism seminar.

One more thing: I was very happy to see the insistence on an international #postliberalism by @Phillip_Blond and @Vermeullarmine. I've long been disappointed with the insularity of conservatism in the liberal world, which has been an unhelpful and detrimental handicap.

I look forward to a continuing discussion on #postliberalism and to building those new institutions that will help us usher in this new era. Thanks to @res_publica, @moveincircles, @Phillip_Blond, Ryszard Legutko, @Vermeullarmine, @PatrickDeneen, and @NJ_Timothy.