1. Leigh: Thank you for joining us tonight
Pauline: My pleasure, good to be with you
Leigh: You said the pandemic was made worse by people not being able to speak English properly but your own outbursts are barely intelligible...2/

2. P: What you’ve got to understand is that I am speaking to a particular constituency, my constituency, who are barely literate, so like Donald Trump, I have to get down to their level and mangle English in outbursts that are full of faux ignorance. ...3/

3. L: But surely it confuses the message you are putting out?
P: No, not at all. I am in business of politics. First of all, it upsets the yuppies, which is just an aesthetic pleasure that’s hard to explain, like listening to Mozart’s Rondo a la Turc, or ...4/

4. ... Shostakovitch’s Symphony No. 2 in B major, Op. 14 and which he dedicated to the October Revolution though he may have been under some pressure to do so by the commissar for culture Andrei Zhdanov. But I digress. ...5/

5. The dichotomy you are seeing is just politics we practice in Australia. For me to fit into the spectrum I have to differentiate myself from the others, I think you will find that in marketing it is called a “unique selling proposition”. ...6/

6. L: Would you care to explain that?
P: I appreciate the whimsy in your question, Leigh. A clear USP helps consumers to understand differences often non-existent differences between brand offerings in a category, and may also help them to form a positive attitude ... 7/

7. ... towards a brand and may increase brand recall. There is no actual difference what my public utterings are and what issues out of Scott Morrison’s mouth. The only difference is that he is saying it out the side of his mouth and dog-whistling. ...8/

8. ...What he doesn’t realise is that he is being way too subtle to some sections of the electorate and that is why I come out and say it explicitly. If some of the Coalition people condemn what I say then it nullifies their dog-whistling somewhat and people switch to me. ...9/

9. L: So what you are saying is that the ultra-nationalists and the disgruntled rust-belt ex-working class have nowhere to go.
P: Right. The old working class need someone to blame for their miserable lot created by Neo-liberalism and I give them that opportunity. ...10/

10. Vilifying immigrants and people of other races helps to direct responsibility for their own predicament, which in reality is the fault of the capitalist system, which is heartless and sociopathic. But that is way too complex to try and elucidate. ...11/

11. I mean, look what happened to Jim Cairns and Barry Jones. Complexity is the enemy of modern politics.
L: So what you are saying isthat you are just selling a product and this has nothing to with how you see the world? ...12/

12. P: Well, yes, but this is not a problem of politics, just a little riddle that is easily solved. I mean it is obvious.
L: Well, it’s seems to fill the column inches and the airwaves…
P: Oh it does, of course it does. But it is a non-problem.
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13. If I may draw your attention to the argument between Popper and Wittgenstein, trying to solve the problems of philosophy. Wittgenstein said that the so called great problems of moral philosophy were merely linguistic puzzles. ...14/

15. L: So you'resaying it's the philosophy of language rather than the actual issue of philosophy, in this case the ideologies, culture wars and so on?
P: Exactly. The Vienna Circle and the Logical Positivists plus Quine. The Continentals ...16/

16. L: Sorry for interrupting, Continentals?
P: Yes, an old English term for the non-English. In 1949, I think it was, a British Labour MP George Wigg, in a parliamentary debate concerning the Burmese, shouted at Churchill... 17/

17. “The Honourable Member thinks that the 'wogs' begin at Calais." So the wogs gild the lily as is their wont but taking their cue from Wittgenstein, do not see language as a separate discipline, rather, it involves ...18/

18. phenomenology, structural semiotics, hermeneutics, existentialism, deconstruction and critical theory. Which is what you'd expect from wogs.
L: This is getting a bit esoteric Pauline, please explain for the viewers. ...19/

19. P: Oh stop it! You are a card! (Laughter). Look it isn’t that complex. Wittgenstein was of the view that we always think in language and there are limitations to language and thereby what lies on the other side of “thinkable” is an actual limit to reality that we can ...20/

20. encompass. It may be useful for viewers at home out there to reach for their copies of Wittgenstein’s Logico-Tractatus Philosophicus.
L: Is that why you went into running a fish and chips shop? ...21/

21. P: Yes. I went into business with my first husband Wally Zagórski. He could barely speak English, and I wasn’t about to learn Polish. That's where I cottoned onto the limits of language.
L: We have to leave it there Pauline, we’ve run out of time.
P: A pleasure.