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Here's Amy's ludicrous article. Just Gonna drop some commentary in this thread. https://medium.com/@amydyess83/prodigal-butch-7f0d2e00f693
"Pride 2018 was a significant recruitment month for the GC movement, but most of us werenât calling it that back then."
She's acting as if a bunch of GC women sat around and decided "this is the month we need to recruit" which is insane given how ppl come understand GC concepts
She's acting as if a bunch of GC women sat around and decided "this is the month we need to recruit" which is insane given how ppl come understand GC concepts
Its not a thing you can do on a schedule, you just put your opinions and criticisms online and if ppl read it, they may agree but will mostly disagree or stay quiet.
"The GC movement made me feel needed. I could put aside my struggles and transcend my hardships by answering what I thought was an ethical call to help lesbians." you can engage in this kind of escapism with many diff movements; liberal feminism, environmental activism, veganism
"Thereâs a kernel of truth to GC propaganda about lesbian erasure, though itâs been greatly exaggerated. Itâs a fact some lesbians have been called âTERFsâ or transphobic on social media, simply for being gay. It happened to me on Tumblr, and thatâs how I was radicalized." ????
so then how is she blaming other ppl??? she literally says she came to this position based on her own experiences??? she's acknowledging and agreeing with the premise for most lesbians criticism of queer ideology ???
"Imagine surviving an evangelical upbringing that told you being gay was a choice, a âbadâ choice."
how can she hold this position, meanwhile affirming
"Life is complicated and âgayâ has evolved to mean same-sex and same-gender attraction." which dilutes/erases homosexuality?
how can she hold this position, meanwhile affirming
"Life is complicated and âgayâ has evolved to mean same-sex and same-gender attraction." which dilutes/erases homosexuality?
"Gender critics find what makes you angry and then get you onboard with more of their ideas."
so... you were angry about something and they put you in contact with other ppl who were angry about similar things for similar reasons and you started to agree? how EVIL!!!!
so... you were angry about something and they put you in contact with other ppl who were angry about similar things for similar reasons and you started to agree? how EVIL!!!!
"i'm against conversion therapy for gays"
but then
"The truth is I had no problem with the concept of trans lesbians before I started hanging around GCs."
so she thinks there's no diff between a het/bi female and a homo female? couldn't tell a dick from a vulva before GC?
but then
"The truth is I had no problem with the concept of trans lesbians before I started hanging around GCs."
so she thinks there's no diff between a het/bi female and a homo female? couldn't tell a dick from a vulva before GC?
like how does this statement make sense after this one?
"Now imagine seeing modern gay media and some blue ticks on Twitter saying lesbians are hateful for not liking penises. I still believe thatâs homophobic." ????
"Now imagine seeing modern gay media and some blue ticks on Twitter saying lesbians are hateful for not liking penises. I still believe thatâs homophobic." ????
She talks as if all GCs are 100% behind WOLF when in fact a lot of us (especially lesbians) have taken steps to distance ourselves from them and make sure our orgs don't appear to be endorsing them. Most of the GC women i know understand that the the right are not our friends
"My original recruiter wonât be named in this article bc sheâs threatened to harm me if I identify her or show her avatar." i'm almost certain that this was just "if you defame me i will sue you"
Imagine whining about that while ignoring rape/death threats to lesbians by TRAs
Imagine whining about that while ignoring rape/death threats to lesbians by TRAs
"Gaye Chapman, AKA âGC Grandma.â"
no one has ever called her that wtf is she talking about
no one has ever called her that wtf is she talking about
Amy: Jocelyn supports WOLF
Amy: *provides a screen cap of WOLF saying she's not a member*
... ok ... ?
Amy: *provides a screen cap of WOLF saying she's not a member*
... ok ... ?
" She roped several women into a media war and encouraged us to antagonize LGBTQ+ publications, organizations, and public figures." where is the crime? tweeting disagreement isnt allowed?
TRAs coordinate legit harassment and doxxing of lesbians/feminists all the time???
TRAs coordinate legit harassment and doxxing of lesbians/feminists all the time???
the one tweet she shows from WOLF is them saying that homosexuality is based on sex... like... you dont have to be a right wing conservative to agree with that... why even put it in the article if it doesnt support your point?
amy should actually be friends with wolf bc they both think TM/detrans women are traitors to feminists or weak lesbians, i'm getting such a kick out of the irony 
Most of the GC lesbians i know dont really like Emily Zinos or Terri Strange or Posie Parker... so ... stop acting like you were being embraced by GC celebrities that everyone loved and that somehow you were bring pressured to work with conservatives.
i've been contacted by WOLF and asked to work with conservatives and guess what? i just said no. no one forced you to entertain the idea. your own screen caps prove you were at some point, ok with working with conservatives. you cant blame others for that
how can you start an article with a phrase about homosexuality not being a choice, and then show screen caps of you "trying to make a friendship work" with one political lesbian, discussing a 3rd PL???? you could have been friends with other lesbians instead???
I've heard some really fucked up shit about both WOFL and DGR and i do genuinely believe there issues with over controlling women and codependency in each group. however most of what is mentioned in this article is just women being friends with each other. she keeps conflating?
Amy, your "famous TERF article" only became famous bc you flipped sides...
i cant get over how she calls herself a writer and freelance journalist and that this article is NONSENSE. like theres contradictions everywhere and the narrative isnt convincing. the only thing she's ever written in the past are opinion pieces and it shows
amy why have you dumped a ridiculous number of screen caps on your readers, in an incomprehensible order?
in the "international powerful lesbians" section, she groups together social movements with political movements, political lesbians with real lesbians, those who work with the right and those who are against working with the right. wtf, more nonsense
DONT USE THE TERM GROOMED LIKE THIS WTF
"My recruiter wanted me to join Charlie and Claire as the face of this lesbian activism. I was being groomed for it,"
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS ACTUALLY BEEN GROOMED,
FUCK YOU AMY
"My recruiter wanted me to join Charlie and Claire as the face of this lesbian activism. I was being groomed for it,"
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS ACTUALLY BEEN GROOMED,
FUCK YOU AMY
"Claire, Charlie, and I were going to do a campaign and go on TV for interviews. That didnât happen because the GC movement ended up taking over lesbian activism."
so now shes saying she was with the lesbians against the GCs all along? so then how is she an ex GC?
so now shes saying she was with the lesbians against the GCs all along? so then how is she an ex GC?
When you're homeless and have been harassed and a woman offers to rent you a place for cheap to help you out, that isnt "grooming" or "manipulation" thats someone trying to help you out. i'm sure if you'd been living there and gone all ex gc, she woudln't have sent you packing
stop telling us you dated a political lesbian, it really undercuts your "i've known for a long time that being gay isnt a choice" statement
you werent in a ~network for international powerful lesbians, you were in A TWITTER GROUP CHAT (i was in 'taco club', i dont go around telling ppl 'i was recruited to taco club' ) they were trying to organize to control the optics of a disorganized mvt. theres no conspiracy 
) they were trying to organize to control the optics of a disorganized mvt. theres no conspiracy
"Bindel promised me the world on our first phone call, and I wrote to Rosa about what we discussed. They both wanted to help me get settled down in the UK." in my personal chats with Amy, she told me for months that she wanted to move to the UK. wheres the harm here?
they wanted to help her make money doing her activism, bc she was broke, they wanted to find her cheap/free places to live bc she wanted to live in the UK. why is she saying this is evil?
another thing that Amy used to go on about a lot in our private DMs was that she was lonely (and based on her one attack on me, hadn't had sex in a long time) whats so bad about lesbians saying "if you move here I have friends i can try to set you up with"? no one was forcing her
another thing she revealed to me in our private chats was that she WAS LOOKING to settle down with a british woman bc she wanted UK citizenship. so they were just offering to help her fulfill her goals.... how evil and predatory of them
after saying how exploitative she says this
"Some people confused the wife detail in the PinkNews story for human trafficking & wild takes like that. What was actually proposed was more in the spirit of Butch Bachelor: GC Edition hosted by Julie Bindel. I was into it at the time"
"Some people confused the wife detail in the PinkNews story for human trafficking & wild takes like that. What was actually proposed was more in the spirit of Butch Bachelor: GC Edition hosted by Julie Bindel. I was into it at the time"
this is so all over the place. what kind of story telling is this? or she's just back peddling bc she's scared bindel will call out her lies
Amy, if you know all the UK GCs know each other, and you're planning to go on tour there, you shouldn't be surprised at the back lash
"I was also pointing out that some Get the L Out UK members love Posie Parker."
this article is basically about bad decision making
"I was also pointing out that some Get the L Out UK members love Posie Parker."
this article is basically about bad decision making
like we all know shes a homophobe, but if i was about to go on tour and knew i would likely rub elbows with her friends, i would keep my mouth shut till i got there or until afterwards. thats just how humans interact, its not a conspiracy
Amy: i was planning on going to the UK specifically to do WPUK events, once I pissed them off I still wanted to go but didnt want to do any events with them, & I postponed the trip
sounds like she fucked herself and couldnt admit that she ruined her shot at being welcomed there
sounds like she fucked herself and couldnt admit that she ruined her shot at being welcomed there
Julie goes on to tell say she thinks Amy's mental health is deteriorating. A lot of us have been saying that for a long time. I thought I was her friend yet she publicly attacked me on twitter then blocked me. She's done this with so many ppl, its not normal.
if you see a bunch of women trying to help you as exploiters and take 30k screen caps of all your interactions with your friends, clearly something is very wrong
she's trying to hitch a ride on the "we were groomed and exploited while we were vulnerable" narrative that a couple of detrans women have been sharing. diff is she was an adult for the 2 years she's talking about. she wouldn't being trying to hijack this unless she was unwell
BUT mental illness is not an excuse for harming others; for dragging ppl through the mud, who did nothing but try to help you
if she had any screen caps of harassment or sexual abuse, this would be the time to share them, even with the name redacted. i think she's lying, bc why would she leave that out after all the other pointless screen caps she shared?
stop using the term radicalized when you dont know what it means and cant explain in what way anyone was "radicalized" in your opinion
in reaction to the "fuck kind" amy says "I can keep my soul and still defend lesbian rights" as if lesbians appeasing men has ever got us anywhere. read a lesbian history book amy.
again she's like "all GCs love the right, hate the left, and love political lesbians" which is def untrue.
how is it possible to be in the LGBT community for years and not know about the struggles of trans ppl until 2019? what a load of shit
stop using the word triggered everywhere for no reason jesus fuck
also she keeps acting like there the "GC + political lesbian + right wing" group and the "trans activist + LGB + leftist" group, which is totally false. all my lesbian friends are GC and they arent very involved with the LGBT community at large.
"Thereâs a lot I didnât have room to include, but I hope this article clarifies some details and fills in some blanks."
your article was very long, had very few details & answered almost none of the questions anyone had. also it was so incoherent, how could you write a book?
your article was very long, had very few details & answered almost none of the questions anyone had. also it was so incoherent, how could you write a book?
In conclusion, she's basically doing an expose on ppl with common goals organizing to accomplish them as if its some kind of conspiracy. meeting and talking in private is not proof of some kind of harmful scheme.
the lesbians/RFs i associate with all hate the right, so idk why she's acting like the entire GC pop is on board with it. maybe it needs to be more vocally addressed more constantly, but her point that we're all willing to ignore it or get on board is a lie.
"We can stop our real opponents together." who are they? how are we meant to do that? its just so much fluff.
she keeps acting like GC is a cult/high control group when it literally isnt. either she never bothered to look up the characteristics of a cult OR she did and realized her experience fit like 2/30 of the markers. why call yourself a journo if you cant be bothered to do research?
