Watching the BBC’s six party documentary on the Spanish Civil War. I won’t finish it all tonight.
First thing that strikes me is how inapt comparisons are to modern US in two ways: 1) our “revolution” is much more cringe (gentleman interviewed said it was for working class) & 2) if it is analogous to US, it’s going to be so much worse here. Cause demands can’t be met.
The whole point of today’s thing is entirely fictional & is just hatred of White people. Not something you can just solve with getting elites to give the poor & working some extra bread. You can’t compromise on “we want to abolish you completely.” If it blows it’ll be bad.
I wish the “conflict” was actually starting on a class struggle basis. It would be easier to solve or sympathize with.
Ok now I’m seeing the parallels: when church burnings started, the Republican defense minister said “all the churches in Spain were not worth one Republican life” (despite it pissing off the other half of the country deeply when police let mob run wild).

“People over property”
“Words like these were never forgotten. Or forgiven.”

Indeed.
There is definitely a bias as well: the left is framed very positively & the right’s motives are not really explored or framed as just greed/stubbornness etc.
This sounds like today as well: basically the left got what they wanted. They’re burning churches, they overthrew the monarchy, the whole bit. Not good enough. Anarchists go wild in some town & the cops shoot them & the socialists collapse the govt over it.
“The socialists were losing faith in parliamentary democracy (despite being in power). The anarchists never believed in it. And the right hadn’t yet lost faith.” That sounds familiar. The right still buying in. Until they don’t.
“The right still hoped by winning elections they could halt & reverse the whole tide of events.”

The more things change...
The right wins the next election in 1933 with a new Catholic party & they win big. They slow or try to reverse reforms. “The left was appalled”. Not knowing the ins & outs of this story, I’m gonna guess the left didn’t just shake hands, lose gracefully, & wait their turn.
And they didn’t. The excuse is “oh gawd: they looked out across Europe at Italy & Germany & they simply couldn’t let the election be the final word.”

We should do that: when the Dems win, be like “the left won in Venezuela once & look what happened: we must overturn election.”
So the guy that was a socialist in his youth explains there had been a “regression in Spanish politics” (monarchy overthrown like 2 years before, church burnings) and the right had won election only one year before but he says “we decided we had to overthrow the govt”.
It is just like now: massive left wing victories on every front but always feeling like there’s “regression” + “we lost an election: time to over throw the govt” (despite them being govt for many years straight beforehand)
“Divisions & tensions had reached such a point that even seeing a socialist, not to mention a communist, was the same as seeing the devil.”

My man.
Finally to the mention of the Falange & José Antonio Primo de Rivera. The good stuff.
Making a protein shake but did I hear this correctly: some left wing officer in the state police died so the retaliation is a bunch of arrests & murdering the leader of the political opposition?
Reached the end of episode one. The coup begins & Morocco & spreads into Spain. Lesson for the right tho: the “workers” & lefties didn’t start out armed. US cons who say “hur dur we have all the guns it’ll be a cakewalk if it happens”. The other side will get guns quickly.
*in Morocco
Begun episode 2: anarchists in Barcelona got into the armory & now have guns.
They’re storming the barracks in Madrid to get the bolts to make their guns work.
Sorry I should say the govt in Madrid decided to “arm the ppl” but most guns didn’t have bolts so the people gotta fight to get the bolts out of the barracks.
The soldiers tried to troll the people with a fake surrender & then shot them. So when the people finally did get in, they killed the soldiers often without option to surrender. Tit for tat I guess. Ugly.
“Be definition anarchists had to oppose organized militarism”

Gonna be a bit of problem in fighting a war lol
The narrator speaks of the murder of 6,000 priests, nuns, and monks, accompanied by pictures of desecrated statues of Mary with the face carved out, is followed by the line “it fueled nationalist propaganda”

Our very own “GOP seize” moment

The killing of priests wasn’t the prob
So we get past the excavation of the remains of nuns but narrator reminds of atrocities on the other side: some Mola quote about the need to win & shoot the opposition. So the same thing the left was doing up in Barcelona. A war is fought. But the right doesn’t dig up nuns graves
It’s such a weird false equivalence: we’ve already established it’s a civil war, both sides are going to fight it, both sides are shooting prisoners/those suspected of being enemies.

But what is the equivalent on the right of digging up nun graves? Of being that sick?
That Mola said “we need to win this & shoot those that oppose us” isn’t some revelation or on par with the sick shit the left was doing (not to mention the left was doing what Mola was talking about + their grave desecrating bit on top of it like animals)
It’s just such a weird pivot. “You might think the left is bad & twisted but let me tell you: the right is going to fight this war the way wars have always been fought. So think long & hard about that before disparaging the left.”

I have been duly chastised that both are equal.
I just got to how when the left executes prisoners it’s not so bad cause it’s the frenzy of the mob but the right is much worse cause they do it in a cold, orderly fashion. Cool story.
“Let it be known: for every right wing person killed in the villages, I shall kill ten. And perhaps exceed this proportion.” -the Chad general down in Seville.
This guy has the right mindset.
This is what I would want from my allies, were I a right wing person in a village that could be harmed: death avenged 10-fold.
Reactionary Expat said the same once in a video: that you have to start thinking in those terms (he wasn’t necessarily referring to civil war, I think it was re: urbanites getting run over by trucks of peace). Can’t save everyone, each of us is worth 10 of them. Or 100. Mindset.
The nationalists take Badajoz on Portuguese border. Portuguese journo asks man in charge “rumor is you had 2K executed. Is it true?” “Not that many...” said in a way that indicated it was true. American journo asks same question & general says “how could I keep 4K red prisoners?”
Mad man.
The Portuguese journo finds a priest. Disturbed by the scenes he has witnessed, piles of bodies from the Badajoz massacre, he turns to the priest for comfort. The priest shrugs. “They deserved it” the priest says.
Republican forces having trouble on the front lines: “when every they received an order, they’d have to have a general assembly to see if they’d obey it”. Sounds like that old reddit post about the street fighting after Trump won. A lefty lamented how less organized they were.
End of episode two. The Republican forces are evacuating Madrid just 4 months into the war. Just about over I’m sure. /s
“1930s Europe. Hitler/Mussolini/Stalin in power. Democracy under threat. Britain & France fearful of a European war.” Didn’t Britain kind of start/insert themselves into/escalate the war by choice?
No material support came from liberal democracies but the Nationalists’ calls for aid were answered immediately *video of fighter plane squadron flying with Deutschland Über Alles playing as musical accompaniment*
“Hitler sent transport planes to airlift Spanish army form Morocco two days into the war, well above Franco’s request for some weaponry” What a nice guy.
*from
Mussolini has likewise entered the chat. Ryan Faulk had a video on how Hitler could have won by having a better foreign policy re: Spain & Turkey to close off the Med. Could have done more (both carrot & stick) to bring them on side.
France has entered the chat on the side of the Republicans & sent arms.
France asks Britain to get on side & Britain in typical fashion does the bit. “Lol not our problem & we won’t help you France.”
France reverses course & decides against sending those arms actually. Tries to assemble a non-interventionist team of nations with Britain.
Russia has entered the chat.
Russians sends canned milk & advisors. No guns. The Republicans were very disappointed Uncle Joe let them down.
Soviet planes arrive to save Madrid.
Times (British paper) journo embedded with Franco’s troops to cover the war was in fact spying for the Russians. Never trust a journo.
One British young man showed up to fight for the Republic cause he believed in liberalism & was dismayed to find pretty much all foreign fighters were communists & came to bring communism, not liberalism. Nothing ever changes lol
Reminds me of “Syrian democratic rebels” or the like. Spoiler: they aren’t liberal or democratic.
“Conservatives” up in Basque country doing the “Franco isn’t a real Christian” bit & fighting alongside anarchists. Another “I’ve seen this shit before” parallel.
Britain being perfidious. Unwilling to break blockade on the Basque, as mentioned earlier doing the non-intervention routine with France but secretly plotting mineral contracts with the nationalists after they win. Lol.
German planes bomb the shit out of Guernica. They interview the squadron leader about the attack & he is unapologetic. “I followed orders & we were fighting communists. Didn’t phase me.”
On to episode 4 which I’ve been reliably informed is the best episode. “Franco & the Nationalists”
In quick succession Franco became the youngest ever Captain, Major, and Colonel in Spanish army. By 33 he was a General. He grew up as Spain lost overseas empire & was ass blasted he’d never get to be in an epic navy. But went to Morocco in army instead.
Franco was a sort of compromise candidate. The various factions (monarchist, traditionalist, fascist, etc) needed someone that at least somewhat pleased all of them & their aims. Franco was good enough on each one’s issues to be the guy in charge. And someone had to be in charge.
No rightist infighting. Unity.
“By our powers combined!”

As an army officer who was interviewed put it: “a single command wins a war, multiple commands lose a war.” Hence the relief among nationalists that Franco alone was put in charge.
Jose Antonio of the Falange makes their pitch. He says Spain will be great again once they put down the big three divisions ruining the country: separatism, political parties, and class struggle. Not bad.
They stole the working class’s blue attire, the anarchists flag colors, and the commies use of “comrade”. Appropriating & redefining memes a la Pepe.
It didn’t work tho. Never got mass working class appeal cause conditions just weren’t right on the ground for it like Germany & Italy.
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