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re: bi lesbians
I feel like we had this whole discussion before.
i managed to dig up this that explains a bit about the history of these identity terms (scroll down for the transcript and additional comments, there are also source links): https://wetwareproblem.tumblr.com/post/176260806411/epochryphal-authoratmidnight
I feel like we had this whole discussion before.
i managed to dig up this that explains a bit about the history of these identity terms (scroll down for the transcript and additional comments, there are also source links): https://wetwareproblem.tumblr.com/post/176260806411/epochryphal-authoratmidnight
the short version is: bisexual women were "lesbians" DECADES before they ever used the word "bisexual".
bisexuality as an identity came much later, and lesbian originally referred to the act of women fucking women, not to a concept of identity.
bisexuality as an identity came much later, and lesbian originally referred to the act of women fucking women, not to a concept of identity.
sometime in the 70s/80s people started trying to make "lesbian" exclusively mean "women attracted to the same sex" and the fact that this is a TERF slogan is not an accident.
the people on here are saying that "bisexual lesbian" is a new term that was somehow invented in the last couple years. many say "people on twitter made it up".
well here's a poem from 1991.
http://dajenya.com/pb/wp_1c8af5cd/wp_1c8af5cd.html
well here's a poem from 1991.
http://dajenya.com/pb/wp_1c8af5cd/wp_1c8af5cd.html
they're also saying that if they're trans_nonbinary themselves, it's preposterous to accuse them of using TERF rhetoric.
*looks at camera* are we having that discussion again?
yes, trans_nonbinary people, especially AFAB ones, use a *lot* of TERF rhetoric without knowing it.
*looks at camera* are we having that discussion again?
yes, trans_nonbinary people, especially AFAB ones, use a *lot* of TERF rhetoric without knowing it.
TERFs are good at making their bullshit sound appealing and logical. just look at how many AFAB people talk about "female socialisation" and "AFAB problems" and that nonsense.
this isn't new either. we're not immune to this nonsense.
this isn't new either. we're not immune to this nonsense.
I've blocked so many people in the last couple of days over this. I am tired. but I'm gonna fight this bullshit gatekeeping because I want people to feel safe to use whichever words describe them best. wild idea, right?
one other thing that annoys me is "but lesbian is not an umbrella term!"
so? neither is "man" or "asexual" or "intersex".
but there are nonbinary men, cis men, tall men. there are straight asexuals and pan asexuals and polyam asexuals and angry asexuals.
so? neither is "man" or "asexual" or "intersex".
but there are nonbinary men, cis men, tall men. there are straight asexuals and pan asexuals and polyam asexuals and angry asexuals.
there are genderfluid intersex people and trans intersex people and bored intersex people.
just because something isn't what you'd call an "umbrella term" intended to catch many different experiences, doesn't mean you can't combine it with additional qualifiers.
just because something isn't what you'd call an "umbrella term" intended to catch many different experiences, doesn't mean you can't combine it with additional qualifiers.
we have this discussion every fucking week with something else. sometimes it affects parts of my identity, sometimes it doesn't, like now.
it's tiring. we do we wear each other out like this? can we just stop, please?
it's tiring. we do we wear each other out like this? can we just stop, please?
for future reference, here's the archive link in case that post disappears between now and when I'll need it again http://web.archive.org/web/20200108163109/https://wetwareproblem.tumblr.com/post/176260806411/epochryphal-authoratmidnight
